Spain Withdraws Merck Gardasil Vaccine After Illnesses

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

2 girls in Intensive care within hours of receiving Gardasil shots.

Spain Withdraws Merck Gardasil Vaccine After Illnesses February 10, 2009

Managing Editor's Note: I learned a new Spanish word while watching Sesame Street with my 14 year old daughter (who has autism.) "Peligro." Just in time, si? Please click over to NVIC HERE for detailed information about Gardasil, including media reports, how to report an injury and HPV facts that could save a girl's/woman's life.

MADRID (AFP) – Spanish health authorities have withdrawn tens of thousands of doses of a vaccine against cervical cancer after two teenagers who received the shots were hospitalised, regional authorities said on Tuesday.

A batch of nearly 76,000 doses of the human papillomavirus vaccine (HPV) was withdrawn from market, a government statement said, after two girls in the eastern Valencia region fell seriously ill hours after receiving them.

"One of the girls got out of intensive care this weekend and the other is still there. Both are in stable condition," a Valencia health department spokeswoman told AFP. The two girls were vaccinated last week as part of a vast government vaccination programme targeting adolescents....

[uppityperson]

1. UPDATE: 1 batch of vaccine recalled (bad batch)

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssHealthcareNews/idUSLA56308620090210

Spain's health ministry said health services would continue to administer shots of the vaccine but ordered that the use of batch NH52670 be suspended after health authorities in Valencia region reported on Feb. 6 that two girls had become ill after receiving the injection....

http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/health/2009/feb/Spain-Recalls-Cervical-Cancer-Vaccines-Following-Adverse-Reactions.html

Spain’s health ministry said that Gardasil will continue to be administered but that one batch of the vaccine—batch NH52670—has been recalled. About 76,000 vaccines from the affected batch have already been distributed throughout Spain, but chemists have been instructed to halt sales.

[trotsky]

3. Gosh you'd think with Merck's power to silence all critics, foreign and domestic,

they'd NEVER be subject to such recalls. Is there an airtight conspiracy or not?!?

[uppityperson]

4. Perhaps they haven't bought out Spain yet.

Or maybe it is, um, just a token recall to distract us and say "see! they don't have absolute power" and now they can laugh bwahahahahaha to themselves because we shills believe them. (took a couple minutes to free flow my thoughts, but how was that?)

[pnwmom]

5. They're thinking it was a bad batch, but that hasn't been confirmed yet,

as far as I can tell. They haven't really ruled out anything, including the possibility that the illnesses were unrelated to the vaccine.

If it was a bad batch, I'm wondering where it was manufactured.

:hi:

[Deep13]

85. Ah, that explains it.

Someone screwed up in its production.

[flyingobject]

2. Merck warned in May 2007 about sloppy manufacturing processes

Maker of HPV Vaccine Under Fire
Manufacturer Merck scrutinized. Regulators found problems at US plant where Gardasil is made for BC.
By Andrew MacLeod
Published: May 16, 2008

TheTyee.ca
While British Columbia Health Minister George Abbott was announcing the province will provide a controversial new vaccine starting in September with assurances that it is "safe," the American Food and Drug Administration was threatening to close the factory where it is made.

The B.C. Centre for Disease Control's director of immunization programs, Monika Naus, said she had seen the media reports on the problems at Merck's plant in West Point, Pennsylvania. She believed the same plant supplies vaccines to Canada, she said, but it was unclear whether any of the lots coming here were affected. "I basically know what you know. The company's taking it very seriously."

...Warning letter

The FDA's 3,500-word, April 28, 2008, letter, addressed to Merck president and CEO Richard Clark, said the warning was the result of inspections conducted at the plant between Nov. 26, 2007 and Jan. 17, 2008.

..."The deficiencies described in this letter are indicative of your quality control unit's inability to fulfill its responsibility to assure the identity, strength, quality, and purity of your drug product and drug substance."

http://thetyee.ca/News/2008/05/16/MerckFactory/

[pnwmom]

6. K & R. n/t

[earth mom]

7. But-But-But Vaccines are safe!!!1!1

NOT!!!

Where are those shills for the pharma giants now? :eyes:

[Joe Chi Minh]

11. Oh, they'll be here. Don't you worry. They must always have the last word, however idiotic.

[earth mom]

13. Yep-they always have to have the last idiotic word.

I'm sure you've also noticed the tag team they play on every autism thread too.

They've got to make sure they stir the pot and get that disinfo out there! :puke:

[Name removed]

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[LeftishBrit]

16. TAKE THAT VILE SLANDER BACK!!!!

Call me wrong, deluded, stupid - whatever you wish BUT MY VIEWS ARE NOT MOTIVATED BY GREED!


Mods: Could you PLEASE make it against the rules to accuse the supporters of vaccines of being motivated by profit!?? Please! Especially as some of us are partly motivated by our own and/or our family's medical situations - it's incredibly hurtful! I don't mind anyone calling me stupid or wrong, but this is just too much, and it keeps happening all the time.

[Liberal Veteran]

17. I echo that sentiment. The implication that one side of this argument are operatives...

...of the republican party or a corporation is by definition against the rules of the board.

And it's bad form on those who imply such things.

[lizerdbits]

18. Is there a conspiracy theory forum?

Maybe one could be created where things like this can be dumped like the 9/11 forum.

ETA: By "things like this" I mean the shill/conspiracy to get rich bullshit, not a true statement about a recall which is actually a health issue.

[Warpy]

46. There's a perfectly good DU Group for them

It's the Astrology, Spirituality and Alternative Medicine Group.

They can say whatever they want to there. I promise I won't go there.

[beam me up scottie]

21. Oh, I don't know, LB.

Being insulted by a young earth creationist is like a badge of honour.

[earth mom]

27. And vaccine supporters here haven't slandered the parents of autistic children time & time again?!

:wtf:

How many times have vaccine supporters come on every autism thread here on DU for the opportunity to put down parents like Jenny McCarthy who witnessed with their own eyes that their child had an extreme reaction to the MMR and were never the same after?

HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES HAVE THOSE PARENTS BEEN DISSED & HURT HERE ON DU?! HMM?

Answer: COUNTLESS.

So don't give me the bullshit of your "hurt" feelings, I'm not buying it.

You don't even have a clue the amount of pain, disrespect and slander parents of autistic children have been dealt.

But all the pain, disrespect, slander and bullshit those parents have been dealt won't stop them from getting the word about the damage the pharma giants, the CDC, the NIH and people like you have wrought.

Because those parents are fighting for their kids lives and nothing will stop them-not even the likes of you and your friends.

NGU-NEVER GIVE UP!

[varkam]

29. When has anyone ever slandered you because you were a parent of an autistic child?

Is referring to your position absolute nonsense the same as attacking your motivation and your character? Is disagreement the equivalent of slander?

See - the difference is that when I say that anti-vaxxer X is a loon, I can then back that up with evidence. It may be assholish of me to call that person a loon, but I'm not saying that they are wrong because they are a loon. They are wrong for many, many reasons, but them being a loon is just a happy accident.

You, however, have no retort but to call people shills. That's, literally, all I have seen out of the artist formerly known as TheGoldenRule (good name change, by the way. TGR really didn't suit your style of play). You're not saying we're shills and also happen to be wrong, rather you don't address the substance of the argument but instead engage in poisoning the well (a form of the ad hominem logical fallacy).

[Liberal Veteran]

31. When you diss Jenny McCarthy, you diss us all!

How dare you disrespect a noted scientist!

[varkam]

32. Oh, right. I forgot. We're not allowed to criticise the scientific conclusions of...

people with no scientific training - especially when those conclusions are at odds with, you know, scientists.

Silly me.

[Liberal Veteran]

35. The Health Lounge. Where the plural of anecdote is data.

It's kind of fascinating. There are these people jumping on this story saying "AH HAH! See, this proves Gardasil is bad!"

Of course, I sorta like the idea because I hate spinach and believe it's unhealthy and dangerous. When 200 people got ill and died eating spinach, it proved that spinach was dangerous and should never be marketed as "food".

[Orrex]

44. We can thank Oprah for this

Oprah has created a universe in which celebrities are automatically scientists and victims are automatically experts.

[earth mom]

34. So where the hell is your book deal to prove your bullshit about autism, hmm?

If there were no truth to what McCarthy has written, they wouldn't have given her TWO book deals to write about her experience and knowledge about the autism epidemic and how the mercury in vaccinations have harmed innocent children.

So put up or shut up.

[Liberal Veteran]

36. LOL....perhaps you should read "A Million Little Pieces", "Dianetics",

or "The Amityville Horror" for more truth.

[earth mom]

39. McCarthy's book is NON fiction. I doubt you can get a book deal for a NON fiction book

as easily as you think you can. FYI-McCarthys book was published by Dutton Penguin Books, not some no name publisher.

See if you can get a BIG name publisher to your work.

I highly doubt you could even get a toe in the door of their offices. :eyes:

[varkam]

40. You're kind of missing the point.

And, for the record, A Million Little Pieces was cast as "NON" fiction.

[Orrex]

67. So was (is) Dianetics

It's the owner's manual for the human mind, doncha know.

[varkam]

37. Uhh...I'm not sure if you know this or not, but books aren't peer reviewed.

You can get a book deal for just about anything. Just because she got a book deal doesn't make her knowledgeable and it doesn't make her a scientist.

And...um...doesn't that give her a financial stake in the whole deal? Are you now going to start calling her a "shill" as well?

And moreover, I don't need a book deal. In fact, I'm not pushing conclusions based on my own gut-feelings or speculations. It's not "(my) bullshit". The conclusion that vaccine doesn't cause autism is based on things like data and scientific analysis - not instinct and book deals.

[beam me up scottie]

38. Yeah, and they gave her mega bucks to take her clothes off, too.

Beat that, skeptics!

:rofl:

[varkam]

41. Well, I guess when you don't have any science to support your position...

you've got to have something to bring to the table. I guess a book ex-playboy-playmate turned "Indigo Mom" turned vaccine crusader is the best they've got...

[beam me up scottie]

42. I think we've just hit a new low in the HSL,

check out where they've been getting this recent info: breakthematrix.com/content/More-children-damaged-from-anti-vaccination-hype
(I refuse to link to that site)

[varkam]

43. Why? Will it cause your Alan Keyes to burst into flame?

:rofl:

[beam me up scottie]

45. You're just pissed because you found out you ain't getting one of them there book deals.

You're not as, erm, shall we say "qualified" as Princess Jenny.

[Orrex]

49. No way. Varkam's boobs are sublime.

At least, that's what I've heard around the Skeptics' Forum.

[beam me up scottie]

50. Did he go to New Orleans?

I was wondering where he got all those beads.

[Orrex]

51. With Varkam, it's Mardi Gras all year long

[beam me up scottie]

52. !

:rofl:

[varkam]

59. I don't know whether to be charmed or horrified.

:rofl:

....

:hide:

[Orrex]

61. Why must it be one or the other?

Just enjoy!

[earth mom]

62. What the FUCK does that have to do with anything?! This is the kind of disrespect I'm talking about!

Take your immature crap elsewhere and grow up while you're at it. :eyes:

[varkam]

63. It has to do with the topic just as much as your book deal screed has to do with it: nothing.

Both are just as totally irrelevant.

[beam me up scottie]

64. Unfortunately, McCarthy's medical education and experience are just as fictional as her breasts.

I prefer to seek the advice of medical professionals, not people who take off their clothes for a living, but that's just me.

The ignorance and willful stupidity in this forum is staggering.

[Orrex]

66. There's nothing wrong with people taking their clothes off for a living

Of course, it doesn't give you any sort of neurological expertise, either...

[LeftishBrit]

57. So if you get a book deal to write about something, it must be true?

What about all the people who get book deals to promote right-wing causes and attack liberalism? Is Ann Coulter speaking the truth because she gets book deals?

The fact that someone got a book deal doesn't mean they're wrong, but it doesn't mean they're right either.

[uppityperson]

70. Just curious. How many books does o'reilly or coulter have out?

How many book deals?

Just because someone has a book deal doesn't mean what they say is accurate.

[LeftishBrit]

56. I have NEVER attacked the parents of autistic children!

And my family and I know quite a lot about 'fighting for family members' lives' against lack of medical knowledge and diagnostic difficulties. Not autism but other serious illnesses. More than once. In one case, for over 10 years. Getting access to necessary (conventional, western, 'Pharma') medical treatments has revolutionized our lives. That's MY dog in the race! Not any profit motive, except the immeasurable profit that my family and I personally have received from medical discoveries and treatments. (And we are still waiting for more.)

A lot needs to be reformed in Pharma and health-care; but some of the anti-vaccine, anti-*all*-Pharma treatments, 'you can only be motivated by profit if you want them' attacks come across to some of us just like the religious ideologues' rejecting Parkinson's sufferers' right to benefit from stem cell research.

I don't think I have EVER disrespected families of autistic children, or those with children with ANY health problem. Believing that vaccines don't cause autism is not the same thing as believing that autism doesn't exist or isn't serious. And I would never take offence at being simply told that the treatments I take aren't the best or are ineffective, even if I think the opinion is wrong. But please do not call me a shill - I AM NOT!!!! Please do not accusing me of damaging autistic children or causing autism - I HAVE NOT!!!! Any more than the people who disagree with me have caused me to have Crohn's disease since the age of 5.

And I don't work on vaccines or for any Pharma company anyway.

I hope that we all want cures for the illnesses and condition that we and our families suffer from, even if we disagree as to how to attain them. Please, let us not descend into accusing each other of causing these illnesses.

[uppityperson]

69. I support vaccines and have never done that. Group insults are what bigots do.

NOT calling you a bigot, just pointing out behavior

[varkam]

30. Wow - that's pretty low.

So anyone who disagrees with you must be corrupt and dishonest?

I see.

[Liberal Veteran]

19. earth mom, your argument doesn't make sense.

Vaccines are safe. An adulterated vaccine is not.

Just like a jar of organic salsa. Prepared and stored as it should be, it probably will be safe, but it can, due to any number of reasons, most likely human error, because contaminated with botulism and kill you.

[varkam]

28. Oh don't expect her to make sense.

She's too busy tripping over herself to insult people.

[uppityperson]

68. That is silly, like saying "but but but peanut butter is safe!!111"

Shill checking in here, though not sure when my money is supposed to come. Good grief. There is a big difference between a flawed production (whether it be peanut butter, vaccine, or automobile) and the product overall.

I had a Ford that had a short and burnt itself up. Does that mean all Fords, or cars, are pyrocars? That company that produced and sold infected peanut butter was wayyyyyyyyyyyyy wrong and should be held wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy liable, but peanut butter is still a good food. A company that produces a batch of vaccine with problems like this one seems to have is the same.

[SidDithers]

8. Spanish region resumes use of Merck & Co's Gardasil...

MADRID, Feb 16 (Reutersillegal codemakeRemote('duboard.php?az=html_table')) - The Spanish region of Valencia has resumed cervical cancer vaccinations using Merck & Co's (MRK.N) Gardasil, a spokeswoman for Valencia's health authorhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=222&topic_id=53602&mesg_id=53602ity said on Monday.

Use of the vaccine was halted last Monday when two girls fell ill after receiving injections from the same batch of the drug.

"The batch which the sick girls recieved is still suspended and being investigated, but injections from other batches of Gardasil resumed today," the spokeswoman said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssHealthcareNews/idUSLG21940220090216

Guess Spanish Health officials still think it's safe.

Sid

[beam me up scottie]

9. Insert shrieking hysterical response and accusations here:

I'm pressed for time, you know the drill Sid.

Carry on.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

10. “Vaccines are a business, like any other,”

Well, Well, Well: Bad is bad
Connie Howard / [e-mail]

...“Vaccines are a business, like any other,” the Cochrane Library Review reminds us. “The only difference is that governments are co-sponsors with industry ... overestimation of the threat by the target diseases, suppression of data on adverse events and exaggeration of effectiveness are frequent. In the case of population vaccination programs, both governments and industry have conflicts of interest.”

And financial interests, as we all know, tend to trump safety. “Merck lobbied every opinion leader, women’s group, medical society, politician, and went directly to the people—it created a sense of panic that says you have to have this vaccine now,” Dr Diane Harper—cervical cancer researcher, vaccine developer and professor of medicine at Dartmouth Medical School—told the New York Times last August.

http://www.vueweekly.com/article.php?id=11002

[tomp]

60. nicely done! nt

[Maraya1969]

12. To give teenage girl a vaccine that "may" prevent her from a disease

she might get in her 40's or 50's is ridiculous anyway. Regular pap smears prevent cervical cancer as it is easily treated early on.

[Liberal Veteran]

15. I agree.

And the same is true when they come up with a HIV vaccine. Why give teens a vaccine to prevent a disease that might not present until they are in their 30s or 40s.

Besides. You can pretty easily treat HIV with a once a day pill now.










































:sarcasm:

[trotsky]

20. A friend of mine had cervical cancer in her late 20s.

She survived, but lost her uterus.

Oh and she had regular pap smears, too.

[varkam]

33. Except that my ex-fiance had it in her mid-twenties.

Oh, and she had regular pap smears, also.

[Heddi]

47. Pap smears prevent cancer as much as a band aid prevents a cut

Pap smears DETECT cancer. They do not treat it, they do not cure it, and they do not prevent it. They DETECT cancer.

Self breast exams do not PREVENT cancer either. They DETECT cancer.

Xrays do not PREVENT broken bones, they DETECT broken bones

Are you getting the difference between PREVENTING and DETECTING?

Your risk of getting cancer does not go down by getting pap smears. You are more likely to get cancer DIAGNOSED EARLY by regular pap smears, but in no way to paps PREVENT anything.

And it's this kind of wrong-headed, just plain ignorant talk that keeps people from getting vaccines that can save their lives because they believe this hogwash that getting a speculum up their vagina once a year will keep them from GETTING cancer. No. It will help DETECT IT EARLY but it will not prevent it.

You should be ashamed for promoting such ignorance.

[Orrex]

48. I'm detecting a tone of sarcasm

Or do I mean I'm preventing a tone of sarcasm?

Gosh! I'm so confused!

[Heddi]

53. Stop PREVENTING my aura

You're totally crashing my zen

[Orrex]

54. If you wouldn't go flashing your aura all over the place, you wouldn't have this problem

You metaphysical exhibitionist!

[Heddi]

55. that is *IT*

my flock of trained flying ORBES!!! are totally going to haunt your third eye. SHILL!!!

[Maraya1969]

58. You do not have to be so harsh. I might have worded it wrong but I think

my basic premise was understood by most. And a pap smear did stop cervical cancer in me because it found "pre-cancerous" tissue that was removed. I was in my 40's.

[Heddi]

65. Again---your cervical cancer was not STOPPED by a pap, it was DETECTED by a pap

and I beg of you to look through the archives at any thread dealing with Gardasill and you will see that same tired (and wrong) argument used as a reason to not get Gardasill---- No need for a shot to prevent cancer when a PAP SMEAR will prevent cancer, and is much cheaper than the shots.

This isn't just 'bad wording'. It's terribly incorrect information.

Pap Smears Do Not Prevent Anything. They Are A Diagnostic Tool

And a pap-smear did not STOP your cervical cancer. It DETECTED pre-cancerous tissue. The pre-cancerous tissue wasn't even removed during a Pap. The Pap Smear is a DIAGNOSTIC PROCEDURE AND TEST. It doesn't stop. It doesn't treat. It doesn't remove.

And if being "harsh" is what it takes to get correct and factual medical information into the public sphere, then so be it. I'd rather be harsh than have someone die because they went with the wrong impression that getting a pap was all they needed to do to prevent cervical cancer.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

22. Merck: Nov 10, 2008 Merck recal Mylicon infant anti gas drops - metal fragment risk

Sloppy sloppy sloppy:

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Johnson & Johnson (JNJ.N) and Merck & Co (MRK.N) said on Monday it is recalling about 12,000 bottles of Mylicon infant anti-gas drops in the dye-free variety because they may contain metal fragments.

The companies said they are voluntarily recalling two lots of the over-the-counter medicine as a precaution after determining that some bottles could include metal fragments that were generated during the manufacturing process.



www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE4A97D520081110

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

23. Careless:Dec 13, 07 Merck's recall of 1.2 million doses of miningitis vaccines

Merck's Recall of 1.2 Million Doses of Meningitis ...Dec 13, 2007 ... Merck's Recall of 1.2 Million Doses of Meningitis, Pneumonia Vaccine Could Trigger a Shortage, More than a million doses of a common vaccine ...
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316648,00.html -

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

24. Dec 13, 2007 Merck recalls another baby vaccine due to contamination - HIB

Hib Vaccine Recall By Merck Due To ContaminationDec 13, 2007 ... Merck says it voluntarily recalls Hib vaccine due to contamination in the equipment in which the vaccine is made. Merck Hib vaccine recall ...
www.huliq.com/44645/hib-vaccine-recall-merck-due-contamination

[Liberal Veteran]

25. So your contention is that the system works as it should for the most part?

I agree.

[Name removed]

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[WillYourVoteBCounted]

71. this vaccine should never have been "fast tracked", but Merck needed the money

to make up for the Billions in damages due to its other shit drug, Vioxx.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

72. Why do you keep replying to yourself?

I've seen it on numerous threads now, and I'm wondering if you understand that it is generally bad form to reply to or kick your own threads.

It seems that you are simply shoveling a lot of fallacious shit, hoping that some gullible person will believe you.

[SidDithers]

73. She's replying to herself because she has almost everyone who disagrees with her...

On ignore. The only way that she can keep trying to make her point is to reply to herself.

Sid

[EvolveOrConvolve]

74. Damn, that's probably why she never responds to me!

I love that she's pretty much talking to herself.

[Why Syzygy]

75. She's not talking to herself.

You all are not the only ones reading.

I agree it's bad form to just kick one's own thread. Especially from the bottom of the deck when no one has shown any interest whatsoever. That isn't what she is doing. I have about five threads hidden where that was the case. Did you call out the OP on those?

[Name removed]

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[Why Syzygy]

80. This is what's egregious.

Replies to this thread
Excellent. K&R n/t drm604 Oct-26-08 11:51 AM #1
awesome mopinkoDU Moderator Oct-26-08 12:21 PM #2
Infants have so little fluid they can lose before becoming dangerously dehydrated. trotsky Oct-26-08 12:24 PM #3
But, as a downside, they're all coming down with autism. varkam Oct-26-08 06:33 PM #4
Oh wow. I didn't even know there was a vaccine against rotavirus. salvorhardin Oct-26-08 06:57 PM #5
kick my own thread here for a minute. nt xchrom Oct-26-08 11:23 PM #6
Vaccines are the work of the devil FM Arouet666 Oct-27-08 12:54 AM #7
Both my niece and nephew Dorian Gray Oct-27-08 08:09 AM #8
kick xchrom Oct-27-08 11:33 PM #9
This is one that definitely needs to be used in Africa jmowreader Feb-13-09 11:27 PM #10
And the unvaccinated benefit too. trotsky Feb-14-09 08:53 AM #11
kick beam me up scottie Feb-16-09 04:31 PM #12
kick beam me up scottie Feb-17-09 07:38 PM #13
kick for a thread I missed before. uppityperson Feb-17-09 11:06 PM #14
kick xchrom Feb-18-09 01:57 AM #15
kick xchrom Feb-18-09 08:06 PM #16
kick...nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x46685

I have four hidden that are just like it.

Here's your clue:
she only offends on a minor sub-forum of DU, her behavior is tolerated.
But, yet the minor sub forum mounts an all out effort to disrupt everyone else? The LARGER audience is denied access free from witnessing blood letting? What kind of person does that? A second clue. No one listens to the "minor sub-forum" because of the methods. If you all are looking to intimidate, let me be the first to assure you that many at DU ARE too intimidated to get involved. Happy now? Mission accomplished? What kind of person.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

84. All I can say is THANK YOU (((((MODS)))))

and Amen.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

78. It is CLEAR to everyone that you are just trying to harass me and run me off

but the more you harass me, the more I feel it necessary to post OPs and make comments
here in the Health Forum.

Your spam is just that - spam and of no value, its only goal it to try to make
this forum a place where just a small clique may feel welcome.

The nastier you get, the more determined I am, and the more doubt can be cast on
anything you say or post.

You and the rest of the clique that spam and harrass on
every single post I make.

[cosmik debris]

79. How childish of you!

You say that the more complaints you see about your bad behavior, the worse you will behave.

That is the essential definition of a tantrum.

You must be so proud.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

83. I've been nasty? Really?

Where? Is pointing out your poor behavior considered nasty?

1. Show me where I "harrassed" you.
2. Show me how I've "spammed" you on every single post you've made.
3. Show me where I've been "nasty".

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

81. Spam, harassment, name calling, trolling

are the tactics of those who feel desperate and who do not find the facts
to be sufficient for their cause.

Those tactics may run some people off, but they won't run me off.

Stay tuned for more OPs, often citing New York Times or Huffington Post, or
Age of Autism. Or any other source.

Im sure it wasn't popular to criticize the Swine Flue Vaccine,
or DES for pregnant women, or Hormone therapy for menopausal women,
or other popular drugs.

But then, I didn't go with the flow when I led the fight for paper ballots
in my state and went up against Diebold.

[uppityperson]

82. I don't see spam, harassment, name calling or trolling moreso than by you.

Seriously, if you are going to call people posting counter arguments "spam, harassment, name calling, trolling", maybe you shouldn't be on a forum where people can reply. I also find it odd that you post this in reply to yourself, and say that these tactics won't run you off. Or are you accusing yourself of spamming, harassing, name calling and trolling? I am confused.

[Name removed]

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