How many anti-Merck threads will be enough?

[cosmik debris]

How many times do you need to make the same arguments?

How many times do you need to fling the same insults?

What will it take to satisfy the anti-Merck posters?

Is there any condition that can be met by the posters of this forum that will satisfy the anti-Merck posters?

Is this a permanent situation? All Merck all the time?

What's it going to take?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

1. Probably just time to ignore them.

They aren't affecting anyone. They are going to keep endangering children by refusing to get them vaccinated for communicable diseases even when they reach epidemic levels. There will probably be fewer of them here if H5N1 mutates to allow human to human transmission.

David

[cosmik debris]

2. I'm just curious about their objective.

What are they attempting to achieve?

How is this carpet bombing strategy going to achieve that goal?

Why and when will they declare success or realize failure?

[Bonobo]

3. Look here brother.

Just who do you think you're foolin' with that cosmic debris anyway?

[Dr.Phool]

4. Don't you know, you could make more money as a butcher?

So don't you waste your time on me.

[mhatrw]

6. Ooooooooh, scary!

[cosmik debris]

7. How many is enough 100? 1000? 10,000?

How many anti-Merck thread will it take to satisfy you?

[mhatrw]

32. One More (tm)

[mhatrw]

34. How many Gardasil commercials will be enough? How many times

will Gardasil commercials have to appear on TV before the greedy Big Pharma marketers will just give it a rest?

[cosmik debris]

37. This is not TV

But with all the melodrama you have brought to this forum, it might as well be.

TV is a device for one way communication. This is a forum for interactive discussion. We don't have commercials for Merck here, why should we have commercials for Anti-Merck.

Comparing your anti-Merck post to commercials seem appropriate since they have already been compared to spam. It indicates that you realize how obnoxious they are. Is that you goal? Or just your strategy? How is that working out for you?

[mhatrw]

39. Well, let's have an interactive discussion on the issues, then.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x42443

For some reason, you don't want that. You want anything but that, up to and including censorship.

[cosmik debris]

41. You've poisoned that well already.

And what I want is irrelevant.

What is relevant is what is your goal,and how is a belligerent strategy working out for you?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

11. That's exactly what I think when I read your posts about how dangerous vaccines are.

[mhatrw]

24. So you think vaccines are 100% safe?

All I've ever said is that they are not 100% safe. And they aren't.

[cosmik debris]

27. How many times is enough?

How many times do you need to say that they are not 100% safe?

[LeftishBrit]

29. Is there anything in the world that is100% safe?

[mhatrw]

30. The why does EVERY "cost effectiveness" analysis of Gardasil assume 100% safety?

Could it be that Gardasil cannot be shown to be cost effective in any case without this assumption?

[dropkickpa]

42. safety and efficacy

2 different things, yo!

[mhatrw]

43. Sometimes 95% efficacy is assumed. Sometimes reduced efficacy over time is considered.

100% safety is ALWAYS assumed.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

35. No I think, " Ooooooooh, scary! "

Life's not safe. I would have trouble coming up with any medical procedure or medication that is 100% safe 100% of the time.

David

[xchrom]

5. recommend -- i love it when they claim some track is kept on people WHO DON'T GET A DISEASE

after receiving a vaccine.

we track folk get a commuincable disease not those who don't.

so you can claim a vaccine made by merck or anyone doesn't protect against xyz -- but no one can prove that.

[cosmik debris]

8. I just want to know how many is enough?

Is it even possible to satisfy people who are so outraged that they will engage in overt antisocial behavior for several days in a row?

If there is nothing that will satisfy these people, it is time to get the Mods involved.

If there is some way to satisfy these people, let's have a look at their demands and see if they are reasonable and rational.

But we need to know what their goal is and how they expect to achieve that goal when they are pissing off so many people.

[Celebration]

9. how about this?

One thread about Merck for every person that died due to Vioxx. That seems more than fair.

[cosmik debris]

10. What goal would that achieve?

And how would it achieve it?

[Celebration]

12. it would be a sort of memorial, like crosses for the war dead

But interestingly, I didn't even think about this until this thread was posted.

[cosmik debris]

13. So we should change this to the "memorial forum"

rather than the health forum?

Is pissing off a whole bunch of people a good way to memorialize victims of Merck?

So think about it now, where is all this headed?

It looks to me like an effort to destroy the Health forum in a fit of pique.

It looks to me like a child throwing a tantrum in a supermarket because his Mom won't buy the cereal with the prize in it. I'm just asking "what cereal do we have to buy to get this to stop?" If the answer is "every cereal!" then we need to consider the irrational position that we are up against.

[Celebration]

14. so

now cereal and tantrums are being compared to deaths? If it suits you, we can count this as one of the threads.

The threads here are different--the salary of the Merck CEO is a different subject than the 49 violations for vaccines. And the whining, yes WHINING, about the number of Merck threads is yet a different subject.

I would suggest that anyone not interested in Merck threads NOT start yet another thread about them, with a lot of whining in it.

I'm actually sick of the pro-vaccine, anti-vaccine threads, because they are often so repetitive. New information does come to light sometimes, and certainly I started a thread because I thought it was highly interesting that the NEJM gave a strong voice to the detractors of Gardasil. And others also have posted new information recently regarding Gardasil. But it is not going to help matters for anyone to do a bunch of whining about what is posted here. I'm now starting to hide a bunch of threads here just because of the repetition and whining. If enough people do that they will slowly fade out.

[cosmik debris]

15. You seem to relish in misconstruing my words.

I never compared deaths to cereal. That's just your own prejudice showing.

I compared bad behavior in a grocery store to bad behavior in this forum.

Perhaps I should simplify the questions:

What is the goal, what is the strategy, and how's that working out for you?

From my perspective the goal seems to be domination of the health forum. The strategy seems to be carpet bombing. And the results seem to be temporary. So how much longer? How much is enough?

[xchrom]

16. their goal is to discredit, dismantle and replace with their

own version one of the most important cornerstones of modern medicine.

since they can't even admit that contagious diseases like mumps are dangerous -- it's not about sanity here.

there's nothing reasonable about the anti-vaxers.

[mhatrw]

40. So Gardasil is one of the most important cornerstones of modern medicine?

:rofl:

[xchrom]

49. the first effective anti-cancer vaccine? -- you only

show your ignorance.

but that is amusing. -- and trust me you are making a clown of yourself.

[Celebration]

17. Good grief. Hide the threads-- n/t

[cosmik debris]

18. What is the goal, what is the strategy,

and how's that working out for you?

[Celebration]

19. does it ever occur to you

that this is yet one more thread about Merck?

[cosmik debris]

20. No answers? That's typical, are the questions are too hard for you?

Take them one at a time.

What is the goal?

[Celebration]

22. what goal?

Are you saying there is a conspiracy? If so, everyone sure forgot to clue me into it.

[cosmik debris]

23. You are making shit up to be argumentative.

It is a simple question. What is the goal of repeatedly posting anti-merck threads?

[Celebration]

25. how would I know any goal?

I haven't posted any new threads about Merck in a long time. The only way I would know about any kind of goal is if someone had told me there was some goal in mind. That would be a conspiracy. I can assure you that noone has said anything to me about some agenda having to do with threads about Merck. Ask yourself--this thread is about Merck. That is one more op about Merck than I have posted in the past few weeks. What was your goal? I cannot speak for anybody else here but myself. If I post something about Merck it will be because I have some interest in whatever I post about it. The thing about one post per person killed by Vioxx was simply "black humor."

[cosmik debris]

26. If you don't know the answer, that's OK

But you don't need to pick a fight with me just because I asked.

[Celebration]

28. since you asked ME

And since I have not posted any threads about Merck lately, it made sense that you thought I was in on some sort of conspiracy, which, you know, is ridiculous. There is no conspiracy as far as I can tell. But it sounds like people are pissed off at Merck and don't trust Merck. I wouldn't make any more of it than that.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

21. How about one for everyone who was helped by Vioxx without side effect?

Vioxx worked great and quickly with no side effects for me. Since it's been off the market, I'm back on Naproxen Sodium, Flexeril and Hydrocodone. Not a very good exchange in my opinion.

David

[mhatrw]

31. One more. n/t

[cosmik debris]

33. Is that enough, will it stop then?

What is your goal, what is your strategy, and how is that working out for you?

[mhatrw]

36. One More (tm) parent informed about Gardasil's true risk vs. reward profile.

That's all I'm shooting for.

[cosmik debris]

38. So if you have achieved you goal, why do you continue?

Is this a permanent situation--all merck all the time?

[cosmik debris]

44. It looks like I have found the 3 questions they are too embarrassed to answer.

What is your goal?

How do belligerent tactics contribute to achieving that goal?

How is that working out for you?

[mhatrw]

45. How many times are you going to post these same questions?

What is your goal in doing so?

How do your belligerent tactics contribute to achieving that goal?

How is that working for you?

When are you going to stop beating your wife?

[cosmik debris]

46. How long will it take to get answers.

I realize how embarrassing it is to you because it emphasizes the futility of your crusade.

It shows how misguided your efforts are and how they are destined to fail.

So I will keep asking until you answer.

What is your goal?

How do belligerent tactics contribute to that goal?

How is that working out for you?

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but flattery will not get you anywhere with me. Thanks anyway.

[mhatrw]

47. One less. They don't so I don't use them. Great. n/t

[cosmik debris]

48. That's false.

But I don't expect that to stop you.

[xchrom]

50. kick