Any one here lose a pet to RoundUp poisoning?

[bluesmail]

What are the symptoms? I have numerous reasons to suspect we have unknowingly been exposed to RoundUp for years.

[skorpo]

1. Here's a site with info

http://www.naturescountrystore.com/roundup/index.html

[bluesmail]

2. Thank you. That was a quick reply!

[Mojorabbit]

3. My neighbor uses is on our property line

and it hasn't seemed to affect anyone here. My beehive seems fine too. I don't use any pesticides on my property.

[kestrel91316]

4. Roundup (glyphosate) is an herbicide and nontoxic to mammals.

Can you cite links to controlled studies showing otherwise? Because we veterinarians would sure like to know if it we are dead wrong about mammalian physiology and toxicology. I cite below the info on Roundup in the vet website I use that was presented as part of a toxicology lecture at a vet conference:

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Toxicity of Household Products
International Veterinary Emergency and Critical Care Symposium 2006
Tina Wismer, DVM, DABVT, DABT
ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center
Urbana, IL, USA

Glyphosate (Pondmaster®, Rodeo®, Roundup®) is a general use herbicide. It is practically nontoxic by ingestion and dermal exposure. Glyphosate inhibits the shikimic acid pathway and since animals do not have this enzyme, it does not systemically harm them. Surfactants are irritating to the mucous membranes and skin and are responsible for most clinical signs (vomiting, diarrhea, oral irritation).

Glyphosate is poorly absorbed from the GI tract and is largely excreted unchanged in the urine. Urine may kill vegetation due to active glyphosate excretion. It can make toxic plants become much more palatable. Oral ingestions should be diluted with water or a small amount of milk. Large ingestions of the super concentrated glyphosate may result in oral ulcers from the surfactants, and mucosal protectants may be indicated.

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kestrel again:

Deaths purportedly due to Roundup could possibly happen after ingestion of it, and then failure to treat the vomiting, diarrhea, and other symptoms due to surfactant irritation in an otherwise not well animal. In which case, Roundup would not be to blame, but rather inadequate medical care or preexisting disease. I imagine, for instance, an animal with significant kidney disease would not do well if it ingested Roundup during a summer heat wave and got into severe vomiting. That would end badly, but is not POISONING per se.

There are some VERY good reasons to avoid Roundup and other herbicides, but toxicity to pets is not one of them, IMHO.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

5. Some insecticides contain organophosphates which are potent neurotoxins.

Research into them resulted in most of the common weaponized nerve agents including Sarin and VX.

Symptoms in humans can be remembered by SLUDGE

Salivation
Lacrimation
Urination
Defecation
Gastrointestinal Distress
Emesis

Also bradycardia is common.

Not sure what the symptoms would be in animals but I would guess they are very similar, probably identical. You may want to look at the pesticides being used by your neighbors and also think about intentional poisoning with anti-freeze or pesticides. especially if you have had issues with your neighbors.

David