Health officials fear return of measles.

[chicagomd]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/health/chi-measles_02may02,0,962695.story

"In the outbreaks so far this year, two-thirds of children old enough to be immunized were not vaccinated because of family personal or religious beliefs, Schuchat said."

You reap what you sow...

EDIT: And hopefully it will stop there.

[varkam]

1. Or, if enough people come down with the stupid...

we all reap what they sow.

[chicagomd]

2. Noted,

and edited.

[kestrel91316]

3. This is the important point! Those who cannot be immunized for

legitimate medical reasons are put at NEEDLESS risk because of the failure of others to immunize.

Herd Health 101.

[lizerdbits]

4. Glad my nephews will be getting their vaccines

They may wind up in school with infectious kids.

[newfie11]

6. How do these kids get in school without proof of vaccinations?

My kids had to have proof or they were not allowed.

[dropkickpa]

7. Many districts now have

a "religious, moral, or ethical beliefs" clause, all the parent has to do is submit a signed document stating it.

[cosmik debris]

5. kick

[mzmolly]

8. "Large Mumps Outbreak Characterized by 2-Dose Vaccine Failure"

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/572739

""Despite a high coverage rate with two doses of mumps-containing vaccine, a large mumps outbreak occurred, characterized by two-dose vaccine failure, particularly among midwestern college-age adults who probably received the second dose as schoolchildren," the study authors write. "

MMR vaccine stands for what again?

[mzmolly]

9. MMR vaccine coverage levels near an all time high in 2006.

So what accounts for this misleading statement?

"Although the numbers seem small, two developments could set the stage for a major resurgence in this country: an increase in the numbers of people choosing not to get vaccinated and ongoing outbreaks of the disease in Israel and Europe, CDC officials said.

Check the official CDC records below.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/coverage.pdf

Yet, "Health officals fear mass return of measles"? Seems they lack confidence in the product they promote to protect us?

[cosmik debris]

10. Well, that about the stupidest shit I've ever heard!

You seem to be saying that because MMR vaccine is not 100% effective, it should not be used.

The MMR vaccine has saved many lives and untold suffering of innocent children and you want to end that?

So, what would you use to prevent Measles, Mumps, and Rubella? Memory water? Aloe Vera? Chelation therapy?

:puke:

[mzmolly]

11. What's stupid is your translation of

what I'm clearly saying.

[cosmik debris]

12. Then perhaps you should translate it into something

that doesn't sound like you are stupid and cruel to children.

Perhaps you would tell us what you have that is Better than the MMR vaccine.

[mzmolly]

13. Perhaps you should just learn to read before

commenting on posts?

[cosmik debris]

14. So, You've got nothing

You just like it when kids suffer and die, right?

If you had a better plan I'm sure you would have posted it by now, but you don't.

IN FACT the MMR vaccine is the best we have at preventing individual outbreaks as well as epidemics.

And all you can do is complain, complain, complain. Then whine, whine, whine.

That's pretty pathetic.

[mzmolly]

15. We should just all pretend

that vaccines protect us forever (unless some kid in the area travels to Switzerland) without any ever harming anyone. Anything less than outright worship and blind faith means we all want children to "suffer and die". Gotcha! That's religion for ya huh?

[cosmik debris]

16. And You have NEVER heard of the "False Choice Fallacy"

So all you can do is whine, whine, whine, complain, complain, complain.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Do you really think that just because I fooled you with it that you can turn around and fool me with it too?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That's why I love the Health Scare Lounge. I get to practice logic in an absolute vacuum!

[mzmolly]

17. False Choice Fallacy? This from the "man" (I use the word loosely)

who said I want all children to suffer and die because I posted information about high vaccine coverage levels? :rofl::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: indeed.

[cosmik debris]

18. Yep, I got you first and you didn't even recognize it

Then you tried to play the same trick on me.

It is fun playing logical games in a logic vacuum!

d=m/v

[mzmolly]

19. I'm not sure what language your post makes sense in,

but ok.

[cosmik debris]

20. Ain't that the truth

You have trouble making sense of anything. Especially the health issues in this forum.

And by the way, did you ever find a better solution to the MMR problems? Nope. You just complain because you don't understand. And all you have for a response is a false choice.

So, let's recap.

You don't understand.

You are logic-deficient.

You love to complain and whine.

I guess that about covers it.

(d=m/v I'm guessing a large M and a small V)

[mzmolly]

21. There's that "false" anti-vaccination

"fallacy" again. I never tire of it.

[cosmik debris]

22. You're a laugh riot

d=m/v

You've got nothing but whining and complaining.

And you certainly slept through logic class.

You certainly don't have any better ideas.

Can you do anything besides tear down the good ideas that actually help?

Do you have any motive other than to criticize and obstruct?

Why do you hate vaccinations so intensely?

Aren't you aware that they help millions of people?

Your posts are the perfect example of a closed mind obsessed with a dogmatic hatred.

And just like any obsession, you never give up.

[mzmolly]

23. Be sure and copy this into a document

so that you can repeat your nonsense every time someone shares info about vaccines that doesn't meet your religious standards.

[cosmik debris]

24. Religious standards?

Your delusion is spreading.

You are the only one who has mentioned religion.

I guess you are just looking for another reason to hate. So OK, hate me for my religion. But you should figure out what my religion is before you make a bigger fool of yourself!

d=m/v

[mzmolly]

25. You are a member of the Church

of Vaccination. You don't need to clarify, it's obvious.

[cosmik debris]

26. Yep, it's a serious delusion

And now you are just making shit up because you haven't got anything but complaining and whining.

d=m/v

[mzmolly]

27. Indeed,

you are deluded.

[cosmik debris]

28. I'm not the one making shit up.

You are the one who dreamed up a fictional church and blamed me for being a part of your imaginary congregation.

You and your imaginary friends will have to do without me, I'm a non-believer with a well calibrated BS detector. And you peg the meter.

[mzmolly]

29. I have found that many members of the C.O.V.

are so called "non-believers". It's a matter of replacing one dogma with another, for some.

[cosmik debris]

30. You never did explain your bat-shit crazy post #8 & #9

MMR vaccines help millions. Why are you so negative about them?

It is self evident that without them, things would be worse.

Have you got a better plan?

Or do you just like to complain and whine?

Please, do tell. What is your plan to prevent Measles, Mumps, and Rubella?

Are you going to complain so long and loud that the pathogens just get up and leave?

[mzmolly]

31. "And You have NEVER heard of the False Choice Fallacy?"

There you go again.

[cosmik debris]

32. What is your plan to prevent Measles, Mumps, and Rubella?

You don't have one. All you have is bitter complaining.

Every time you visit this forum you spread fear and ignorance. I suppose you have plenty to spare. I just wonder why you want to inflict it on us?

[mzmolly]

33. What is your plan for the honest promotion of the benefits v. risk of

vaccination?

Every time you visit this forum, you spread your fear, ignorance and inability to comprehend the English language. I just wonder why you don't leave the debate to those like Varkam who know what the hell they're talking about?

[cosmik debris]

36. Fear is not a plan, and that's all you offer.

[mzmolly]

37. "Health officials FEAR return of measles."

"You want children to suffer and die."

Sorry buddy, you've got your list of fear mongers backwards.

[cosmik debris]

38. You still have no plan other than fear.

Mass vaccination prevents epidemics.

You oppose mass vaccinations.

You support fear of vaccination.

You have no plan to prevent epidemics.

You are just a real ray of sunshine here.



:puke:

[mzmolly]

39. By that logic, you must be

anti-safety and anti-honesty.

[cosmik debris]

40. The reason you can't win this argument

Vaccines offer hope and health.

Over the centuries vaccines have been proven to be safe and effective.

You have nothing to offer but fear and ignorance.

Fear and ignorance are neither safe nor effective.

So keep posting.

You lose because you have nothing to offer but fear and ignorance.

Poor thing, having to live with such fear.

Poor thing, having to live with such ignorance.

How sad that you chose fear over hope, just like the Republicans.

[mzmolly]

41. Straw

man after straw man. Nice try, but you're having an "argument" with yourself and a caricature you've created. You are not paying attention to anything I've actually said. As such, I'm done with you.

G night. :hi:

[varkam]

34. Well, this article is from the year 2008.

Not 2006. :shrug:

[mzmolly]

35. Unfortunately the CDC is always at least one year behind in their calculations for coverage levels.

They need to access retro-active data to compile accurate figures, obviously. But, given they have no evidence of a reduction in coverage in recent years, their "fears" are a bit curious.

Hello Varkam :hi:

[Jim__]

42. The quote does appear to misrepresent the situation.

Looking at the CDC data that you cite, the measles vaccine covered less than 70% of the population 'til '85; and then between 85 and 91 coverage jumped into the low 80% and then jumped again between 93 - 94 when it appears to have jumped into the 90's.

Does anyone know how accurate these measurements are? I mean peak coverage was in 2003 - 2004 at 93.0%; and in 2006, it was at 92.4%. Unless these numbers are dead on, I expect that this difference is within the measurement error.

Birth rates haven't increased recently (of course total number of live births has increased slightly).

I can understand the CDC being concerned about an outbreak of measles. But, can anyone understand the justification for the statment that increasing numbers of people are not being vaccinated?

[chicagomd]

43. Bump

And here...we...go.

http://www.idph.state.il.us/public/press08/5.30.08Measles.htm

"Although the investigation of these cases and people close to them is ongoing, it does appear that these children did not receive adequate vaccinations."

[Name removed]

44. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[lizerdbits]

45. Are you just going to spam this forum with whale.to quotes

and call people trolls? We've already gone through that. :boring:

[AntiVax]

46. No answer

Yeah, hard to reply to the overwhelming evidence MMR kills more kids than measles would be doing with or without vaccination, etc

[lizerdbits]

47. I'll take that as a yes.

Bye bye.

[uppityperson]

48. Reputable source? Can't find one, can you?

And no, posting your link to the website you are spamming here doesn't count.

[varkam]

50. What are you talking about? Whale.to is a very reputable source!

Hell, it's like the BBC of the medical world!

:rofl:

[uppityperson]

51. Thank you. That was briefly annoying.

New World Order and all.

[varkam]

52. He got the door, and it was Dominos.

Fare thee well, my freakishly insane friend.

[varkam]

49. MMR...

never had any mercury in it.

Whoops!

[cosmik debris]

53. KICK!