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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 06:33 PM
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They are working on 146 drugs for preventing stroke and
heart attack. Meanwhile, proven herbs and antioxidants fall by the wayside. Pity.


http://www.healthy.net/scr/Article.asp?Id=898
Gerard (1633), one of the best-known of the Rennaissance herbalists, called hawthorn oxyacanthus, white thorne, or hawthorn tree. The latter two, and the name "May-Bush," are still common in England. In Germany hawthorn is now called weifdorn, while in France it is referred to as l'epine noble (the noble thorn) because it was supposedly used for Christ's crown of thorns.

In both the East and West, hawthorn has been used for millenia as both a food and a medicine. The current use of hawthorn for heart conditions dates back to the 17th century, according to the French doctor, Leclerc. Green, an Irish doctor, is known to have used it extensively--though secretly--for heart ailments. After his death in 1894, his daughter revealed the famous cure to be a tincture of the ripe berries of Crataegus oxycanthus. In Europe, both homeopathic and allopathic doctors used the herb for various heart and cardiovascular ailments from the late 19th through the early 20th centuries--and with great clinical success. Hawthorn had entered American clinical practice by 1896--only to fade from use in the 1930s.

Then there is the "real research".

1: Br J Gen Pract. 2006 Jun;56(527):437-43.Click here to read Links
Hypotensive effects of hawthorn for patients with diabetes taking prescription drugs: a randomised controlled trial.

* Walker AF,
* Marakis G,
* Simpson E,
* Hope JL,
* Robinson PA,
* Hassanein M,
* Simpson HC.

Hugh Sinclair Unit of Human Nutrition, School of Food Biosciences, The University of Reading, Reading. a.f.walker@reading.ac.uk

BACKGROUND: Hawthorn (Crataegus laevigata) leaves, flowers and berries are used by herbal practitioners in the UK to treat hypertension in conjunction with prescribed drugs. Small-scale human studies support this approach. AIM: To investigate the effects of hawthorn for hypertension in patients with type 2 diabetes taking prescribed drugs. DESIGN OF STUDY: Randomised controlled trial. SETTING: General practices in Reading, UK. METHOD: Patients with type 2 diabetes (n = 79) were randomised to daily 1200 mg hawthorn extract (n = 39) or placebo (n = 40) for 16 weeks. At baseline and outcome a wellbeing questionnaire was completed and blood pressure and fasting blood samples taken. A food frequency questionnaire estimated nutrient intake. RESULTS: Hypotensive drugs were used by 71% of the study population with a mean intake of 4.4 hypoglycaemic and/or hypotensive drugs. Fat intake was lower and sugar intake higher than recommendations, and low micronutrient intake was prevalent. There was a significant group difference in mean diastolic blood pressure reductions (P = 0.035): the hawthorn group showed greater reductions (baseline: 85.6 mmHg, 95% confidence interval = 83.3 to 87.8; outcome: 83.0 mmHg, 95% CI = 80.5 to 85.7) than the placebo group (baseline: 84.5 mmHg, 95% CI = 82 to 87; outcome: 85.0 mmHg, 95% CI = 82.2 to 87.8). There was no group difference in systolic blood pressure reduction from baseline (3.6 and 0.8 mmHg for hawthorn and placebo groups, respectively; P = 0.329). Although mean fat intake met current recommendations, mean sugar intake was higher and there were indications of potential multiple micronutrient deficiencies. No herb-drug interaction was found and minor health complaints were reduced from baseline in both groups. CONCLUSIONS: This is the first randomised controlled trial to demonstrate a hypotensive effect of hawthorn in patients with diabetes taking medication.

PMID: 16762125
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 06:47 PM
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1. The failure of our corporate culture...
...to fully investigate and utilize medicines that cannot be patented, natural or not, is a complete disgrace.

The further inclination of our culture to prevent people from using some of them through drug laws is more than a disgrace, it's a crime against humanity.


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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 07:42 PM
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4. Perfect analysis. Perfect. A crime against humanity and
think about how this has made healthcare so expensive that 45 million Americans must do without it.... resulting in perhaps 18,000 passing away each year due to inadequate or non-existant healthcare.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 06:48 PM
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2. Considering the dismal record
of American healthcare and the fact that countries that utilize herbal remedies score well above us in healthcare, this should be a no-brainer. Of course there will always be those who swear herbal rememdies are junk and high priced, dangerous pharmaceuticals are much better.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:19 PM
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5. Another clip for the lurkers who don't like to click on links....
yet.

http://www.healthy.net/scr/Article.asp?Id=898
Crataegus is no panacea, but for the handling of chronic illness, it is much more suitable than digitalis and strophanthus, because it has no unpleasant side-effects and no cumulative effects. Its success can be achieved if the tincture of the fresh ripe fruit in a suitable dose (3X daily 10-20 drops after meals) is prescribed.

Today, hawthorn is an official drug in the Pharmacopoeias of Brazil, China, Czechoslovakia, France, Germany, Hungary, Russia, and Switzerland. As a measure of its lasting popularity, it is an ingredient of 213 commercial European herbal formulas, which are mostly for the treatment of heart and cardiovascular ailments.

I have a special affection for this herb, because it helped my father strengthen his heart and significantly increase the quality of his circulation. Twenty-six years ago he had a heart attack and has since been taking hawthorn in extract form for over 15 years with excellent results.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 07:23 PM
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3. But herbs and supplements are not falling by the wayside,
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 07:26 PM by DemExpat
thank goodness, in the general population, as their use is only growing in popularity all over the world...one problem will be in the sustainability of these herbs, IMHO!

I use Astragalus root for bronchitis, and hawthorn for heart palpitations both with very good effect - under the guideance of my holistic GP.

DemEx
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:35 AM
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7. This is none of my business......
but when you speak of a condition of palpitations, are you talking tachycardia? I have persistent tachycardia to the tune of 150 per minute and have resorted to a beta blocker, Toprol XL for many years now. I would love to find a holistic solution instead.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:28 AM
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8. The only safe way to find support in this is to go via your doctor,
or to find a more holistic MD to help here.
My heart rhythm probs were more skipping lots of beats for short to very long periods of time.

DemEx
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 04:19 PM
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10. Thanks. nt
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 04:10 PM
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9. Some of these articles are written by holistic physicians... sooooo,
you may want to look at them.... but remember, do not go it alone when dealing with a serious health condition. Get help of one kind or another.

http://search.lef.org/search/default.aspx?s=1&QUERY=arrhythmias
Search results: 274 pages, 8 categories
LE Magazine
103 pages
The page is in English
Le Magazine, February 2005 - Report: Preventing Arrhythmia
... February 2005 - Report: Preventing Arrhythmia ...
www.lef.org/magazine/mag2005/feb2005_report_heart_01.htm @ 52k
The page is in English
Le Magazine, February 2005 - Report: R-Dihydro-Lipoic Acid
...Magazine February 2005 Preventing Arrhythmia A Nutritional Guide to Keeping ... influencing heart rhythms. 18 Arrhythmias ...
www.lef.org/magazine/mag2005/feb2005_report_heart_03.htm @ 56k
The page is in English
Le Magazine, July 2002 - Q & A: Nutrients That May Help A...
... Nutrients That May Help Arrhythmia, Eczema Treatment, Plus... ...
www.lef.org/magazine/mag2002/jul2002_qanda.html @ 42k
The page is in English
LE Magazine February 2005
...Magazine February 2005 Preventing Arrhythmia A Nutritional Guide to Keeping ... of death from dangerous arrhythmias. It also...
www.lef.org/magazine/mag2005/feb2005_report_heart_02.htm @ 54k
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 04:22 PM
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11. Thanks. I do know I can not just stop taking the Toprol XL
cold turkey.....it has to be weaned off but it sure would be nice not to have to worry that I ALWAYS have it with me especially when a herbal remedy may work.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 04:27 PM
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12. If you do not consume magnesium rich vegetables as a rule,
or if you feel that you could benefit from a calcium/magnesium supplement... here are a couple of papers that may influence your decision to look into it or not.

1: Kardiologiia. 2006;46(7):62-65. Links



* Spasov AA,
* Iezhitsa IN,
* Zhuravleva NV,
* Sinolitskii MK,
* Voronin SP.

Volgograd State Medical University; ZAO BIOAMID, Saratov.

It seems an established fact that magnesium (Mg) aspartate is effective in prophylaxis and adjuvant therapy of cardiac arrhythmia (e.g. prevention of toxic symptoms during therapy with digoxin). There are claims that L-aspartate salts are better delivery forms for cations such as Mg than D-aspartate salts, and Mg L-aspartate can be more beneficial in the treatment of several forms of primary Mg deficiency than Mg DL- and D-aspartate. Therefore, the purposes of the present work were to compare of antiarrhythmic action of Mg L-, D- and DL-aspartate stereoisomers using CaCl2- and aconitine-induced arrhythmia models in rats. It was found that intravenously administered Mg L-aspartate exhibited higher activity compared to Mg D- and DL-aspartate in calcium chloride and aconitine-induced arrhythmias. In rats with arrhythmias induced by calcium chloride Mg L-aspartate compared with Mg D-aspartate and Mg DL-aspartate produced greater decrease of incidence of arrhythmias, increase of time first arrhythmia onset, decrease of percentage of rats that died and increase of duration of life after onset of first arrhythmia. In rats with aconitine-induced arrhythmia Mg L-aspartate surpassed Mg D-aspartate and Mg DL-aspartate in parameters of acute toxicity (LD50), effective dose (ED50) and antiarrhythmic (therapeutic) ratio (LD50/ED50).

PMID: 16883267


1: Ann Noninvasive Electrocardiol. 2006 Apr;11(2):163-9.Click here to read Links
An evaluation of the impact of oral magnesium lactate on the corrected QT interval of patients receiving sotalol or dofetilide to prevent atrial or ventricular tachyarrhythmia recurrence.

* McBride BF,
* Min B,
* Kluger J,
* Guertin D,
* Henyan NN,
* Coleman CI,
* Silver BB,
* White CM.

School of Pharmacy, University of Connecticut, Storrs, USA.

BACKGROUND: Intravenous magnesium reduces the QTc interval of patients receiving ibutilide. Whether oral magnesium can reduce the QTc interval associated with oral sotalol and dofetilide is not known. This study was undertaken to evaluate the impact of oral magnesium on the QTc interval and whether an inherent intracellular magnesium deficiency exists among patients with arrhythmias. METHODS: Participants receiving sotalol or dofetilide for atrial or ventricular arrhythmias were randomized to receive magnesium l-lactate (504 mg elemental magnesium daily, Niche Pharmaceuticals, Roanoke, TX) or placebo for 48 hours. A 12-lead electrocardiogram (ECG) was obtained at baseline, 3 hours, and 51 hours after dosing to correspond to the Tmax after oral ingestion. The QTc interval was measured from the ECGs and compared between groups. Intracellular magnesium concentrations were determined by energy-dispersive x-ray analysis at baseline and 51 hours after dosing (Intracellular Diagnostics, Inc., Foster City, CA). RESULTS: The QTc interval reductions from baseline were greater in the magnesium group than placebo at 3 and 51 hours (P = 0.015 and P < 0.001, respectively). Sixty-three percent of patients (regardless of experimental group) had baseline intracellular magnesium concentrations below the normal reference range of 33.9-41.9 mEq/IU, with an average level of 32.6 +/- 2.2 mEq/IU. CONCLUSIONS: Oral magnesium l-lactate raises intracellular magnesium concentrations and lowers the QTc interval of patients receiving sotalol or dofetilide.

PMID: 16630091
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womanofthehills Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:24 PM
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13. magnesium aspertate & potassium aspertate
I take this combo every day to lower my blood pressure - recommended by a chiropractor. I refuse to take blood pressure meds and this works really well. When you start taking this combo takes about 4 days and like magic your blood pressure becomes normal. Also fiber works to lower cholesterol.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:05 PM
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14. Unfortunately....really....I don't have high blood pressure
and that's one reason I don't like Toprol XL because it does lower blood pressure. It took some time to regulate the dose so I didn't pass out and yet allow the medicine to slow my heart rate. I'm a mess.....I'm lucky really because of all the conditions one can have this one is very manageable but I just would like an alternative to the drug companies' "solution"! Thanks for your input!
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:35 AM
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6. K&R!
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 08:36 AM by yellerpup
Had to recommend this. I recently moved to a new state and found a new doctor on recommendation from a friend. Being artists, SO and I have spent most of our 30 years together without health insurance, but when I have needed attention always went to holistic/chiropractic/acupuncturist. Our HMO demands traditional treatment. Long story short, was prescribed Lipitor and Plavix, took them for 5 days and broke out into hysterical crying jags 2-4 times a day. I stopped them, ate oatmeal & lowered my fat intake for a month and brought my cholesterol from 245 to 183 and triglicerides to 122. Traditional MD's don't really diagnose the problem; they just ballpark a diagnosis until it fits into a drug regimen that the drug companies recommend. This is great news! Thanks for bringing it to our attention. :kick:

Edited for superfluous word.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 02:23 PM
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15. Many drugs are derived from plants.
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 02:23 PM by Odin2005
Chemists then try to find a way to make that same compound artificially.
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