Pandemic Flu Vaccine Was Safe, Chinese Say

[HuckleB]

http://www.medpagetoday.com/InfectiousDisease/SwineFlu/24675

"Chinese researchers -- reporting on the administration of more than 89 million doses of the pandemic flu vaccine -- have confirmed its safety.

Over a six-month period, the country's vaccine adverse event reporting system recorded 8,067 adverse events associated with the vaccine, according to Yu Wang, MD, PhD, of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention in Beijing, and colleagues.

Of those, 6,552 were verified vaccine reactions, most were not serious, and there were only a handful of cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome, Wang and colleagues reported in the Feb. 3 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.

The findings are similar to those seen in the U.S. and elsewhere, they concluded, and suggest that despite public fears, the pandemic flu vaccines had a "reasonable" safety profile and were not associated with an increased rate of Guillain-Barré.

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Just FYI...

Of course, it is just a single study, with many caveats and cautions in regard to the results. Other studies on this issue have shown similar results, while others may have shown different results. However, this has just been reported, and it does add to the database.

[Buzz Clik]

1. Well, I feel better. Would the Chinese government mislead us about public health issues?

[HuckleB]

2. What would China have to gain from these results?

[mhatrw]

3. The Chinese govt. commissioned 10 Chinese manufacturers to make these vaccines.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1008553

Since the outbreak of the pandemic influenza A (H1N1) virus in 2009, nations around the world have produced a vaccine against this virus. During the summer of 2009, 10 Chinese vaccine manufacturers used the same reassortant strain X-179A (A/California/07/2009-A/PR/8/34) as the seed virus to produce various formulations of the vaccine.1 Beginning in September 2009, the 10 manufacturers were licensed to produce the nonadjuvant, split-virion H1N1 vaccine by the State Food and Drug Administration of China2 (and see the Supplementary Appendix, available with the full text of this article at NEJM.org).

The Chinese adverse event reporting system is centralized.

Physicians or vaccination providers were required to report the numbers of vaccinees and all adverse events to their local Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which then reported the data to the Chinese CDC through the online National Immunization Information System's National Adverse Event Following Immunization Surveillance System. Data were collected through March 21, 2010, and were verified and analyzed by the Chinese CDC.

[HuckleB]

4. And...?

You do understand that these results are similar to what other countries have found, right?

Conspiracies are fun!

:rofl:

[mhatrw]

5. I answered the question you specifically asked very clearly and cogently. WTF is your problem?

I alleged no conspiracy. I don't think there was any. I think this article is very probably a good, honest and worthy article, which is why I linked it rather than a media report about it. But, historically speaking, the Chinese government has not been very forthcoming about Chinese health problems caused by the Chinese government. Wouldn't you agree?

[HuckleB]

6. You continued the conspiracy theory.

If you did not, then there is no reason for you to have posted as you did.

[mhatrw]

7. You avoided the polite question and instead attacked me personally.

Your mind-reading helmet needs to be recalibrated. It seems to be on the fritz again.

[HuckleB]

8. First, you were anything but polite.

Second, you were merely continuing to push a conspiracy theory (even further) that derives from your own imagination.

Third, nice pointless ad hominem addition to your post.

[mhatrw]

9. Historically speaking, has the Chinese government been very forthcoming

about Chinese health problems caused by the Chinese government? A simple yes or no answer would suffice.

[HuckleB]

10. And the red herrings continue.

[mhatrw]

11. How is this a red herring?

The results of this study were entered, compiled, verified and redacted if not verified by the centralized Chinese CDC.

Now, historically speaking, has the Chinese government been very forthcoming about Chinese health problems caused by the Chinese government? A simple yes or no answer would suffice.

[HuckleB]

12. How is it not a red herring?

Anyone can play the "historically speaking" routine to push a red herring of their choosing. It's all too common.

[mhatrw]

13. Wakefield has nothing on the Chinese government when it come to a history of medical fraud.

Why should we concern ourselves with one but not the other?

[HuckleB]

14. We have specific evidence in regard to Wakefield.

We do not in regard to this study.

Wakefield was trying to say he had made some great new finding. This study merely adds to the literature, and the results are not exactly stunning.

[mhatrw]

15. We have specific evidence against the Chinese government in regard to SARS.

The publication of a new, needed primate study on vaccine safety was rescinded because of accusations against Wakefield. There was no specific evidence offered that this newer study contained any flaws or fraud. It was pulled from publication only because its association with Wakefield tainted it.

The Chinese government lied about SARS. There are reams of evidence to this effect. So why wouldn't the same standards apply to the Chinese government's new study that applied to Wakefield's new study?

[HuckleB]

16. And the red herrings continue...

[mhatrw]

17. More Chinese lies.

http://www.alternet.org/water/145635/chinese_government_lies_about_water_pollution_--_levels_are_twice_what%27s_officially_listed_

Their pollution is twice what the Chinese government claims. Why not their vaccine side effects?

[HuckleB]

18. What are the side effects to over-consumption of red herring?

Yes, this is a red herring, too. So, if you've had too much already, beware.

:rofl:

Unless you have something to actually discuss, I am done with this thread for now.

[mhatrw]

19. See you again, Comrade! n/t