I'm sad. I just am. There are many assholes on DU who care nothing about us gays.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

My mom is a Latino Catholic and she doesn't support me as a gay man. My dad is a fundie White Christian who doesn't support me as a gay man.



I rebuke all fucking Latinos who don't support gays. (I'm mixed Latino)

I rebuke all fucking blacks who don't support gays. (My niece is mixed AA)

I rebuke all fucking whites who don't support gays. (I'm mixed white)

I rebuke all fucking people who don't support gays (We are all the same... everyone on the planet.)




Can we please stop taking up for minorities when they discriminate just because they are minorities? I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ashamed that Latinos voted against gay marriage in California.


I know I'm speaking to the choir on this forum... but I'm


SO FUCKING PISSED at so many people outside of the GLBT forum on DU who don't give a shit about us.


Fucking hold people accountable.


Just ranting to all of my sisters and brothers here on the GLBT board. I love you ALL.

[LynzM]

1. Love back to you....

:hug: Bigotry and homophobia and judgment suck, no matter where they come from. Peace and love to you, and let's keep fighting and hoping and working... :hug: :loveya:

[roguevalley]

19. Agreed, honey. I just wish people were just like my dad, loving

everyone. it would be a nicer place all around. Don't despair. Evil always yields to love. Always.

[LisaM]

2. I am a white Catholic heterosexual who is angry on your behalf!

In fact, I got in an argument with my boyfriend on the way to work today, if that helps (the dispute was why aren't civil unions good enough).

I also looked to see if there was an event in Seattle. So far I haven't found anything, but if one comes up, I'll post it.

[yardwork]

3. I'm angry too.

[maxsolomon]

4. straight white boy who cares about gays here

there are PLENTY of us who know that GLBT rights are simply civil rights.

pity those who hate what they don't understand. they are afraid of homosexuals. and you know what? there's not one thing to fear.

[RoccoR5955]

5. Believe me when I tell you that there are also MANY who DO care!

One of the reasons why I hate Republicans, since the days of Reagan, is because my brother contracted AIDS early on. Reagan called it a "gay cancer," and refused to fund any research. My brother may have lived, had there been some research early on. From that day, I vowed to never vote for, or back ANY republican, as long as I live!

I have many GLBT friends. They even hold office in my town. Heck, my governor, David Paterson wants to make a law so that any two adults can marry. (I think the feeling in these parts is why should gay people be deprived the misery of marriage, but what do I know, I'm asexual)

So rather than rant, maybe you should relocate to MA, or NY, where, should you desire, you can suffer the misery of marriage, as do heterosexuals here!

[vi5]

6. I think it's the singling out...

I agree completely. I rebuke everyone who voted for this thing, black, brown, white, red, yellow, green whatever. And if read or hear someone making excuses because of religion or upbringing or culture or whatever then I say bullshit. Bull fucking shit. Straight out. No excuses. And if there's a post or thread saying it's o.k. for someone to discriminate or vote for this because of religion or culture or upbringing then I say bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. No fucking excuses.

That being said, the threads chastizing African Americans as though they were somehow MORE to blame for this than all the other groups is what some might have an issue with and which I think are bad.

Yeah people who've been the victims of discrimination should be as sympathetic as anyone about doing the same to others. But that's still not an excuse to hold someone to a different or higher standard or single them out as having more responsibility.

[AndyA]

7. There are a lot of us who understand how you feel.

Being a hypocrite isn't just for Republicans, apparently. :eyes:

I'll never understand how one minority can possibly think for one second that it's OK to condemn someone else because of who they are, yet expect to be treated equally by others. What goes around comes around, so they say.

[CPschem]

8. I'm a straight guy

and I can not begin to understand why anyone would be against EQUAL rights (not compromised rights). It's sad that some people are blinded by religion and bigotry, but we shouldn't forget that there are millions of thinking, compassionate religious folks (like my parents) who fervently support equal rights for gays. Take solice in the fact that it WILL happen. Younger people to not harbor the prejudices of older generations.

[grannylib]

9. As a straight white woman, I'm pissed off on your behalf.

I agree with the previous posters...discrimination is evil, whether against a person because of race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or whatever.
The notion that my marriage is somehow threatened by the thought of a same-sex couple wanting to commit to one another in a lifetime of monogamous fidelity is just INSANE.
There are many things that do legitimately threaten marriage, but same-sex marriage isn't one of 'em!
ALL marriages, whether between different- or same-sex couples, can be threatened by infidelity, abuse, loss of a child, addiction, financial strain, chronic illness...and many more...
To me, gays wanting to marry is an AFFIRMATION of marriage.
There are those of us who WILL continue to support the GLBT community, regardless of our race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation...
Please don't lose hope!
:hug:

[MJkcj]

10. White 47 year old mother of three daughters mad as hell too

some of my best friends are gay. I am sad on their behalf and for all our gay brothers and sisters. the one thing I know for sure is my children wont grow up with this kind of hatred and intollerance.... with each generation we make progress.

[corpseratemedia]

11. I care

and I plan to donate to help repeal prop. 8

The GLBT community has helped sustain me and my work. I am so grateful.

You have a right to stop being scapegoated.

[Vinnie From Indy]

12. I'm with ya man!

I will gladly, publicly and energetically stand with you to fight for your rights.

[OregonBlue]

13. White and over 60 and I care very much. Discrimination is discrimination no matter who is being

screwed. Since I can't vote in California, I donated to the no on 8 campaign. MANY, MANY OF US DO CARE. I've even managed to bring my 86 year old parents around. Unfortunately, they live in Washington, not California.

[sshan2525]

14. I'm white & straight and I think what happened in CA...

....is a disgrace. Hang in there. People will come around eventually. Keep up the fight.

[Hans Delbrook]

15. I care

I'm crushed about the outcome of No on Prop 8 (I gave money and championed the cause to my friends.)
I'm white, straight, and a practicing Catholic.

There's lots of us here on DU (I bet) who consider the election outcomes at best a mixed blessing. We have to keep fighting the bigotry against gays or this country will never really be free. My husband feels the same BTW.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. i am so sad and so mad

[jesus_of_suburbia]

17. My sisters and brothers include all my straight allies too.

I know very well there are many straight people of all colors and walks of life who support us. Thank you more than you could even know.

[jonnyblitz]

18. this "only yell at the white homophobes" crap is unbelievable.

i find it curious that the DUers who seem the most adamant about wanting to ignore the homophobia in minority communities are white and the minority DUers are more open to discussing it, mostly. I wonder why that is.

[Psyop Samurai]

29. Yup. White liberalism is its own curse sometimes...

I experienced it the same way, and I didn't imagine it.

The irony of the whole thing is that minority DUers stepped up to the plate, and made me feel a sense of hope again, before the screechers descended and smothered discussion.

:crazy:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4405606&mesg_id=4405606

[jonnyblitz]

30. i have some lady screaming at me right now, totally misrepre-

senting what i am saying, in another forum. I told her to put me on ignore. sigh. of course she is white and heterosexual.

[QC]

43. Yes, she's the worst of a bad lot. n/t

[yardwork]

38. I've come to the realization that it was really just a handful of DUers causing most of the trouble.

It seemed like a mob, but after taking 24 hours off from DU and thinking it all over, I've realized that there were about four main instigators of the "all gays are racists!!!!" screech mob.

Of the four main instigators I noticed, two are self-identified white heterosexuals - one female, one male. They were joined by two self-identified African American heterosexuals - one female, one male. The latter two are relative new-comers to DU.

There were a couple more self-identified white heterosexuals who made sure to post "concern" that the "vicious" reaction of "the gay community" was hurting our cause. They've been around for a while and have a history of borderline (or worse) homophobic comments.

Yesterday it seemed like half of DU had surrounded me and others here and were screaming at us. Today, I look back and realize that it was just a handful of meanies. In balance with them there have been many many supportive posts from dozens and dozens of DUers.

[Psyop Samurai]

42. Funny, I've taken the day off too...

...and have had time to reflect.

Ya know, I'm pretty much from the "sticks and stones" school - you could call me a faggot, and I'll get over it.

But the imputation of "racist" took me to a place that was utterly devastating. I was really, really upset, and crying even (and I'm no casual leaker). :)

I think you're right (sort of), and that was roughly my sense of the situation, but it is not the whole picture.

I did some closer reading, and also had a discussion with an AA lady who was distressed. I noticed she had assailed BronxBoy, and then took exception to a characterization of mine that was similar to yours. Fact is, there was weird shit posted that was very pathologizing of Blacks. Now, to me, this was totally extraneous to the discussion we were trying to have, so I basically ignored it. I even ignored one response to my own OP that was linked to some rubbish about "Mandingos" and some shit. There were other examples that the lady pointed out and I would have to agree. So, basically, we were sabotaged. But how can one not be on a board with thousands of users, where anyone can chime in at any time?

Do I think people buried the wheat for a little chaff? Yes. Do they have issues themselves? Possibly. But people have different temperaments. God knows, I love BronxBoy. He always calls it like it is, and knows how to roll with the bullets. Don't know if you were around at the time of the Obama New Yorker cover, but he sliced white folks six ways to Sunday, and I loved it. :rofl:

I had a tense but productive exchange with two different Black women (both hetero, I think). They were holding things in a different context, and had valid points to make. I will respect them, whether we see things quite the same or not, for I believe they are genuine and not against us. In fact one expressed "embarrassment" over the situation, which seemed odd. No one need be embarrassed or expected to "answer" for one's people. God knows if I felt I had to answer for the silly queens I've known, not to mention the racist fucks, I'd have thrown in the towel years ago. :P

But that's how some folks feel. And it's a reflection of other longstanding issues. "Pride in one's race", and all that. In both discussions there was a hint of GLBT being a "white" thing, which is the source of much trouble. But if you read BronxBoy's thread, you'll see some very strong AA voices that address that very issue and in no uncertain terms.

Well, stay tuned, I guess. :crazy:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

39. no one wants to appear racist. people dont care as much about appearing homophobic

[Zuiderelle]

40. Good fucking point there.

This place has gone berserk with white straight condescending shitheads trying not to appear racist and throwing gays right out the fucking window.

[yardwork]

45. That is definitely happening but it's only a very few posters doing that.

Unfortunately, the poster in question (with a few helpers) is making things miserable for thousands of readers.

We need to start alerting on the posters that harass people.

[yodermon]

20. why rebuke ethnic groups? They're all using religion to advance bigotry.

The ethnicity parameter is a canard & red herring.
These are religious bigots, full stop.

[jonnyblitz]

23. I guess it doesn't help when polling outfits separate the people

they poll based on ethnicity or religion then publish the results. :shrug:

[nichomachus]

24. Not really

the homophobia in the Latino community is toxic -- and not as religion based as in the other communities. Just ask any Mexican. I live close to the border, speak passable Spanish, and have a lot of Mexican friends. They'll be the first to tell you how bad it is.

And I'm not "blaming" them or "scapegoating" them for Prop Hate. Just don't say that the homophobia isn't ethnically linked. It is.

[kenny blankenship]

21. And knowing that wouldn't be so bad (it's not exactly news )

I've known for a long time that there is a great deal of indifference to the lives of gay people at DU, not to mention outright bigotry ( I think it clicked for me around the 10,000th time I had to hit alert on somebody calling Limbaugh, Bush, and all Republicans generally homo dicksuckers or implying that Ann Coulter is transgendered)
I'm adjusted to that awareness, and it wouldn't be so bad. But criticism of the Prop 8 vote is mostly being BLUDGEONED down with completely baseless accusations of racism. Injury is followed with insult.

And these are supposedly our friends!

Oh Jesus. Where to start?

[demigoddess]

22. Here i am white, straight, and old. I have told my husband that I want two gay guys

to marry and move next door. A lot of us are behind gay marriage and everything that goes with it. I think that others are just listening to the 'God-fearing' and all their propaganda. Give us a few more years and I bet there will be equality on this issue.

[RetiredTrotskyite]

33. Thanks, Demigoddess....

:yourock: :headbang:

[jesus_of_suburbia]

35. You deserve your name my friend! you are a goddess. Thank you.

I believe it now too.

I'm also not nearly as upset or angry anymore... just determined.

Thanks again, you truly understand empathy!

[keepCAblue]

44. I'm not willing to wait "a few more years for equality"....

I had equality on Tuesday of this week. The next morning, I woke up and it had been ripped away from me while I slept.

No, I will not wait "a few more years for equality." The EFFING bigots, if they want to wait a few more years until they get used to my equality, let them take all the time they want, but in the meantime I'm not going to let a bunch of ignorant, narrow-minded fascists stand in the way between me and my right to equality. I will not wait.

[NAO]

25. Try rebuking all the religious who don't support gays...

...then you will be able to rebuke all the non-supporters in one single rebuke, instead of having to make four or more separate rebukes.

Seriously, I don't think you will any find rationalist/secularist people of any ethnic origin who are anti-gay. The anti-gay sentiment comes DIRECTLY and EXCLUSIVELY from religion. Many ethnic minorities are afflicted with religion, as are many "whites".

Further, the anti-gay sentiment is not - by any means - the worst thing to come from religion.

"RELIGION POISONS EVERYTHING." - Christopher Hitchens

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

[Creideiki]

37. You would think so

I know a lot of people from various ethnic groups (including white) of all age groups that aren't religious and still they nurse their heterosexism.

[tbyg52]

26. Equal rights for all. Period. nt

[FloridaJudy]

27. I'm a "breeder" who's pissed as hell

About the passage of Amendment 2 and Proposition 8.

I really, really don't understand homophobia. You don't want to marry someone of your own gender? Fine. No one's forcing you to. You don't want gays married in your church? They probably wouldn't want to be if your church is that unwelcoming, and no one's forcing your church to marry them anyway. My church would be happy to host the nuptials+: we've done it for decades. GBLT people just want the same rights everyone else has.

After Tuesday, I feel like I should apologize for being straight, since so many of us are clearly bigots.

Hell, the other night I did apologize for being straight to a Lesbian acquaintance. She patted me on the shoulder and reassured me "I know how you feel. Up until now I felt like I had apologize for being an American".

But I'm still :banghead:

[Jamastiene]

28. A hater is a hater. Color, religion, gender, none of it really matters.

If they vote to take another groups rights away based on lies, innuendo, and outright bigotry, they are hate mongers and that puts them on my shit list. I don't care what color or religion or anything they are.

My questions:
Why on Earth would anyone who is part of the 48% overall who voted with us, get upset with us for being upset with the 52% that voted against us?

Questions demand answers.

Why are we characterized as haters for asking why the majority of any group hates us? Many of us are actually asking questions because we want to know what we can do to make things better. Don't automatically assume we are pointing fingers if you voted FOR our rights. Obviously, if you voted FOR our rights, you are NOT the person we have the beef with.

Good grief!

[Nikki Stone1]

31. I don't understand why civil rights are voted on by proposition?

Can you imagine if the 1964 Civil Rights Act had been put up to a popular vote by proposition? Can you imagine any state in the South voting against Jim Crow?

The whole idea that civil rights should be left to popular opinion is just wrong.

[bluedawg12]

32. Got your back brother, we gays have to hang together

for support and strength.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

36. *hugs*

[johnlucas]

34. I'm not pleased by that vote either

I thought at LEAST California would have led the way for equal rights on the gay marriage subject.
When Georgia ran that nonsense through in 2004 I, a Black heterosexual man in my late 20s, voted AGAINST the ban.
My vote didn't stop it but you'd expect Georgia to run wild with bans like that. Not California, home of San Francisco and Hollywood.

This will be a defining test for President-to-be Obama. He's never quite been on board with recognizing the legitimacy of the issue in public. We'll see if his hem-hawing 'seperate but equal'-reminiscent attitude towards the gay marriage subject was strategy in order to not alienate voters already wary of him because of middle name Hussein and a permanent tan or his true conviction on the matter.

It's a non-issue and the way I would explain this subject to anyone opposed is to say:

"Gay folks ain't hurting my wallet, endangering my health, or threatening my safety. They ain't gonna make me worry about the future of social security, job availability, retirement, energy costs, and all that important stuff like that there. Who cares about gays getting married when you got real problems to worry about? Let 'em marry and let them discover the sham of the institution like everyone else! If anything, divorcees are ruining the institution of marriage enough to make single guys like me not wanna even try it out.

Put more of your energy behind real matters and cut it out with this gay marriage ban bull. You ain't gonna stop gay folks from existing and all gays came from straight people anyway. Gays can't reproduce on their own, remember? If there's gay penguins I guess there had to be gay humans. Look, I don't know exactly why homosexuality exists either but don't worry about it. If you're straight, you're straight. If a man (woman) is so worried about gay people turning him (her) gay, then that person was already gay to begin with. The worse a gay person can do is to come on to you and all you gotta do for that is politely tell them no I don't play on that team. Leave it at that. They're not monsters you gotta be afraid of for God's sake. The REAL monsters exist in the White House (at least until January 20th). Get a grip, bruh. While you're worrying about the gays, the company you worked all them years for is about to downsize your ass to protect the execs in this "economic downturn". While you're starving on the streets after your foreclosure, you're gonna wish you had some gays around to help with your interior design layout in the house you USED to have. Keep it real, son."

That's just a humorous sample of how I would talk to someone caught up in this 'gay marriage bad' hullaballoo. And if it was a Black person I was talking to I would say, you should know better most of all.
Obama will have to do like LBJ in following the lead of JFK and turn the country the correct way in regards to gay rights issue. That's what it's about.

Either he's gonna have to take government out of the equation altogether and call 'em all Civil Unions letting each church decide 'marriage' for themselves or call 'em all Marriages and override the current resistance buryinf the issue once and for all. It's pretty binary at this point.

I'm done with the issue myself & hope that this crap is settled in this administration. Get on with real issues for goodness sake.
John Lucas

[yardwork]

46. Thank you very much for your great points!

One of the discouraging things that has been said here over the past week is that gay rights "aren't a high enough priority." We even had one poster ask what "we" (the monolithic gay community, I guess) were going to give as a "quid pro quo" if she spent time working on "our" issues.

As a lesbian, I agree that ending the wars, dealing with global warming, stopping torture, addressing the terrible prison system, and numerous other issues are more important than gay marriage. But giving rights to us gays is easy! All people have to do is stop promoting and voting for hateful legislation, and the problem goes away.

Then we can all focus our efforts on the things that will be truly difficult to fix.

[xchrom]

41. gay bigotry crosses all ethnic, racial, religious and political boundaries.

while i expect -- oh say what i see from a yes on 8 vote -- it still
surprise to see everyone so anxious to get the 'ick' off of their special interest group here.

[bluedawg12]

47. You know what - it could be worse

we might not have each other.

This trying to change societies minds is going to take time, we need to change laws for equality for gays and work on the social attitudes over a longer time.

In the meantime, we do have each other here on the GLBT forum and that's a pretty smart and good crowd to be with. Just IMHO. :)

peace

bd12