Has everyone SEEN this???

[Tyler Durden]

Just read it.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1

[sinkingfeeling]

1. I tend to agree with the pastor.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

2. never mind

[Hugabear]

3. Maybe he could have said it better, but he's absolutely right

We've brought most of our problems on ourselves.

[Tyler Durden]

9. "God Damn America"???

A loaded .45 in the hands of the right.

If Obama gets the nod and this is brought up in September and October, then Goodnight Ladies.

[libodem]

4. Limpdick

is running with the story as we speak. It has legs.

[leftofcool]

6. Limpdick?

Is that Rush Limberger? I hadn't heard this one.

[closeupready]

5. It's hyperbole. Heck of a lot more colorful than the boring sermons

I recall from Mass from when I was a kid.

The message is what's important, not the provocative bits and pieces pulled out of context. But our soundbite media is going to run with this, you watch. :eyes:

[Tyler Durden]

11. There is NO context that will soften "God Damn America."

There's no positive way to spin this. It's an ANCHOR. An albatross around a candidate's next.

[Tyler Durden]

7. The point is, as I have said somewhere else...

If this is brought up even once during the General Election, AND Obama is the candidate, this will cause him to flame out and hit the water like a bad landing on the USS Nimitz.

One can argue what we are and are not responsible for, but when you get this sort of "God Damn America" rhetoric not immediately condemned roundly by all in or around it, you might as well have bent over in the rain forest and come up with a cobra in your hand.

[JohnnyLib2]

8. However we, as Democrats, might view it, the RW will use it.

Over and over. I'm trying to be ready....

[Tyler Durden]

10. THAT is my point.

Ferraro and the BS Racist debate are a lit match. THIS is a flamethrower.

[JohnnyLib2]

12. Damn. I just tuned in Limbaugh and he's replaying the sermons

and putting fuel on the fire, big time. Man oh man.

[Tyler Durden]

14. See what I'm saying?

Just like the "Swiftboating," with the exception that it's REAL AND IN 3D IMAX.

Obama has to either CONDEMN this IMMEDIATELY, or it's all over but the screaming.

[JohnnyLib2]

16. I'm glad I'm listening to the gasbag right now, though others will

protest.

He's opening the whole can of worms, taking the first hefty swing. Says that pastor is now on leave of absence, and on Obama's advisory committee.
I'm heading back to work. :banghead:

[hifalutin]

43. Hannity is running with it too!

Looks like the squit is gonna hit the fan.

[buff2]

13. He used the Lord's name in vain in a CHURCH???

Wow....that's some heavy stuff. The rightwingnuts will use this to the hilt.

[Tyler Durden]

15. I have been as negative about the nation in general as anyone here....

...But I'm not running for President.

This story and the repercussions will cause fallout all the way to November.

Anyone who thinks Obama can actually weather THIS "Perfect Storm," PLEASE raise your hand.

[dbonds]

17. While I see and agree with what he was saying...

there will be those that never consider that the US might not always be the good guys they have been told we are. It will be them that are most resistant to hearing this - but don't they already vote republican anyway. The US can not fix a problem that it is unaware of and people are afraid to talk about. If they don't talk about it,then it will be forever swept under the carpet and the problem will live and grow.

[Tyler Durden]

19. This will alienate MILLIONS.

Veteran groups, Moderates, Independents, Hispanics...

I'm sorry I don't share your optimism; I'm going to look for a "Sports Book" still giving decent odds that Obama will make it: I see this as a chance to win a bet, and I'm laying down money if I can.

The vast US Population, ESPECIALLY the Hispanics and Veterans will look at this as a betrayal, and if they vote at all, they will vote McCain (that is, if this doesn't turn the entire NEOCON state of Pennsylvania against Obama, along with the bluecollar state of MICHIGAN if they redo the primary).

[dbonds]

21. This isn't Obama's opinions.

This is a retired reverend that he has already said he disagreed with on many issues. Was Bush held accountable for all that Falwell said?

I know I'm in the minority since I'm not a Christian - unless you consider a Gnostic a Christian which it both is and isn't at the same time. But the god bless/god damn part are just phrases that hold no real spiritual meaning, although they did accurately make his point. I listened to a few of his other videos that were posted last night. He talks of blacks being suppressed by white rich men but how Jesus told them to love their enemy anyway. He isn't a radical calling up arms on a race war. He is someone that grew up in the times of extreme racial suppression and speaks from that context. All his opinions are just that, his opinions.

[Tyler Durden]

22. Does this matter?

He is on Obama's advisory board, and is by all accounts almost a member of the family.

Try "looping" the Rev's voice saying "...God Damn America..." a few hundred times and then tell me this won't make any difference.

Falwell did not Marry W and pickles, baptize the twins, or serve on W's advisory board. There's a little difference here. Remember they just crucified Hillary Clinton for Geraldine Ferraro's comments, and she was just a money raiser.

[dbonds]

23. The only way to counter any misconceptions about it is...

to get every bit of the info out there. A biography of the Reverend, his sermons, and where Obama agrees and disagrees with them. Some of the things are subjects the nation needs to talk about anyway.

[Tyler Durden]

24. And that would have worked with Ferraro how?

Clinton was much farther removed from Ferraro.

Obama almost talks about Wright as a father figure, and no denials or condemnations are coming.

Trust me: this will never fly with most Middle of the Road Americans.

[dbonds]

25. It wouldn't work with Ferraro because she had similar comments in her history.

When someone says that something you said is racist, peoples first response tends to be "that isn't rasist, I am not racist and wasn't thinking anything racist", but what they really should say is "I didn't realize that, help me understand why it is racist". But what Ferraro said wasn't really racist, it was ridiculous but showed racist thoughts (going back to anti-affirmative action arguments).

The reverends remarks may inflame some of those that don't try to understand them, and understanding doesn't mean agree just realizing where they come from. But they are not Obama's remarks or thoughts. Was Jimmy Carter alienated because of Billy (remember billy beer)? Was Bill Clinton alienated because of Roger? And they were direct family members.

[Tyler Durden]

26. Suit yourself: I'm still placing my bets.

If I can still find a bookie laying 2:1 for Obama I might just lay down a few hundred. I think it's a very safe bet, considering the past two presidential elections with "Gore Invented the Internet" and the "Swiftboating."

I think this is much, much bigger that those with bigger influence.

[dbonds]

27. Okay, but a side topic, isn't it illegal to be on elections?

Although I did hear about some stock market pool based on the outcome.

[Tyler Durden]

28. Did I say it was Legal?

However, there were Vegas "Sports Books" laying bets in 2004. I haven't checked, but I'm going to.

[dbonds]

29. I lived in vegas during 2004 election.

I wasn't a gambler though. I developed software for the main company that makes slot machines. Too bad I moved on, I could look that up for you if I was still there.

[Tyler Durden]

31. Shouldn't be hard....

Besides, there are a couple of locals. Less legal, more convenient.

Wish I could say I expected to lose, but I seldom bet on less than sure things.

[MuseRider]

30. The one who has the most

explaining to do almost always loses. This is very bad. Even Democrats who often vote mixed tickets will be outraged by this. They don't pay as much attention as we do. For us it is a matter of reasoning everything out, for them it is all they will hear until they equate BO with these comments.

Edit to add a letter

[Tyler Durden]

32. Exactly.

In the "Age of the Soundbite," this is the worst possible situation Obama could have wished for. It's truly astounding to me that his campaign isn't in full "Damage control," but then, they're pretty arrogant. That tends to breed this "...we can do no wrong..." attitude we've seen so much of recently.

I almost feel sorry for them. I DO feel sorry for the Party: if this keeps rolling, McCain will look like Nixon in 1972.

[MuseRider]

37. This is exactly what I was afraid of.

When you have a campaign that makes horrible mistakes and either will not even try to make up for it or has the arrogance to figure it did not matter then this was a likely thing to happen.

I have learned that lesson here in Kansas. The moment we propose something or seem to be getting somewhere with legislation the RW starts screaming "GAY MARRIAGE" and even if it does not even come close to that issue we are stopped in our tracks. It is so easy to scream a sound bite these days and so hard to get anyone to care enough to listen to the argument. It is very frustrating. I have learned the hard way and with the help of those who know far more than I do what happens with a situation like this.

You and I feel the same about BO. I don't feel sorry for the party, they have allowed this kind of thing to happen. I feel sorry for the nation and the people who know better and have experienced elections that do not resemble American Idol. Good lord he will look like Nixon. Why can't we ever learn? This is not rocket science. You have to vet people closely. Jeeezus!

This is a steam roller, a great big damned steam roller and nothing they do or say is going to stop it. I really don't think they will recover from something like this. "Damn America? Why vote for someone who believes that way?" We will hear a lot of that in the next few months or longer if he gets the nod.

[Tyler Durden]

38. Maybe this could work out for the best....

How many of those "endorsers" will stand with Obama up to the convention if this breaks big?

Can you say, "Convention Dark Horse?" Maybe (be still my heart)...Draft GORE?

I wonder if that new med for the leg causes delusions?

[MuseRider]

41. I just don't know.

The way things are now with loyalty oaths to be able to participate in some primaries and all kinds of odd things that do not seem to belong to the Democratic Party (but are now) and the way candidates are chosen before we even get a chance to know them I have no idea if they will stick with him or not. I used to feel comfort knowing if someone fucked up big like this they would be handled by the party and pushed down a notch until they learned better. Anymore I don't see many who care beyond getting their own party and their own butts in office and I really am not too terribly taken with the platform either. He might just fit right in ya know?

[hifalutin]

46. ABC is running the video on their website

it is scary but Obama says he does not think his church is controversial.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4443230&affil=wjrt

[dbonds]

48. I don't find him controversial

Outspoken yes, using emotional words and phrases yes, but what he says isn't that offbase. Will others find it controversial, maybe if they don't think it through. I'll run this by my 75 year old mother and get back to you on what she thinks (she voted for Hillary btw)

[hifalutin]

45. This pastor is Obama's mentor

and has been for 20 years.

[dbonds]

49. Show me where he says that.

Obama says he is like the uncle that says some outlandish things he doesn't always agree with. That doesn't sound like a mentor.

[Creideiki]

51. From the linked article

"He has impacted the life of Barack Obama so much so that he wants to portray that feeling he got from Rev. Wright onto the country because we all need something positive," said another member of the congregation.

[Creideiki]

52. And another

CHICAGO, March 5 — The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., senior pastor of the popular Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago and spiritual mentor to Senator Barack Obama, thought he knew what he would be doing on Feb. 10, the day of Senator Obama’s presidential announcement.

From http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/us/politics/06obama.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1205446491-LWcIMQlTBjSUoYlH6hGgTw

This isn't that hard.

[Creideiki]

53. But wait, there's more...

KIM LAWTON: Senator Barack Obama says he has been deeply influenced by his church, Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's South Side, and its senior pastor Jeremiah Wright. That connection is now generating political controversy. Wright says he's not surprised.

Rev. JEREMIAH WRIGHT (Senior Pastor, Trinity United Church of Christ): You think it's ugly now. It's going to get worse. It's going to get much worse.

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Sen. OBAMA (during speech): I believed and still believe in the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change.

LAWTON: Wright says he warned Obama at the beginning of his career that their relationship could have negative ramifications.

Rev. WRIGHT: They're going to associate your name with mine, and that could be detrimental, I told him back then. It holds just as true, even more so, now.

LAWTON: A campaign spokesman says Obama remains proud of his pastor and of Trinity, and he doesn't want to see the church receive negative attention because of his candidacy.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week1028/newsfeature.html

[Creideiki]

54. One more

This is as openly radical a background as any significant American political figure has ever emerged from, as much Malcolm X as Martin Luther King Jr. Wright is not an incidental figure in Obama's life, or his politics. The senator "affirmed" his Christian faith in this church; he uses Wright as a "sounding board" to "make sure I'm not losing myself in the hype and hoopla." Both the title of Obama's second book, The Audacity of Hope, and the theme for his keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in 2004 come from Wright's sermons. "If you want to understand where Barack gets his feeling and rhetoric from," says the Rev. Jim Wallis, a leader of the religious left, "just look at Jeremiah Wright."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13390609/campaign_08_the_radical_roots_of_barack_obama/3

[dbonds]

55. Only one of those even mentions the word mentor and it is in a different context.

[Creideiki]

56. You've got to be kidding me

LAWTON: Obama credits Trinity -- and Wright -- with bringing him to a personal faith. He says more than 20 years ago he walked forward in response to an altar call given by Wright.

Sen. OBAMA (during speech): Kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt that I heard God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to his will and dedicated myself to discovering his truth.

From the PBS link above.

You think most people are going to see a distinction? We live in a society that puts faith and values as among the most important defining traits of an individual. You really, honestly, think that this isn't going to come back? It's like a ready-made swiftboat campaign without, you know, the lying and outright fabrication. Barack got the title of his freaking book from this guy.

This is our vetting process. You know, that time where you pull out the skeletons in the closet and look at them and figure out if the candidate is going to get their little tushy handed to them in the GE.

[dbonds]

61. NO there there

What skeletons? You seem to think his church is a bad thing now? But you did your best and you could not show me where he said Wright was his mentor, so he passed that test.

[Creideiki]

66. He's a politician currently residing in Illinois

And you think he has no skeletons? What fantasy little fairy land do you live in? This was 3 minutes worth of google searching. Please, pray, perform any ceremonial rituals you can, try to protect the country. The guy is not a saint--people who are saints do not rise out of Illinois. The only possible one in my lifetime was Paul Simon--and he had freaking skeletons.

BTW, Hillary's also from Illinois and I've got no illusions that she's skeleton free.

[dbonds]

67. I wouldn't say he has skeletons just because he is from IL.

He might though, the Wright thing is just not a skeleton. At most it is something that can be spun to seem bad, but it isn't bad if you listen to what Wright says.

[Tyler Durden]

68. Righteous Indigantion is FINE.

Trying to convince voters in a country where almost HALF of them actually VOTED for Bush when your pastor of 20 years and a member of your Campaign Policy Council is on vidoe screaming "...GOD DAMN AMERICA..." THEN trying to get elected is another thing altogether.

Don't tell me this doesn't look BAD. I may be for Clinton, but I don't want John McCain as President either.

[dbonds]

69. Are you just judging by what you think it will look like to others?

good morning tyler

Compare this to a basically all gay setting. People get upset at the way straight people don't give you a fair shake and will rally around that point. While I have never been to a gay church (not christian) I have seen videos of a meeting where the preacher talks about the straight people not living up to Jesus's words of acceptance. How many here has never once in their life cursed the straight culture that hates you just for being who you were born as? Can you tell me you can not see where Wright is coming from?

To sum up what I think, I don't think Wright is offbase - he just chooses a outspoken and emotion packed way of expressing it. But whatever Wright says is not what Obama says. Obama has already said he disagrees with him on many points. The only people this will enrage is people looking for something to be enraged about.

[Tyler Durden]

70. Is a Gay Person running for President?

If you think this is not a "China Syndrome" in progress, you are seriously kidding yourself.

I want Clinton. That's a given. But if Obama gets the NOD, I DON'T WANT MCCAIN. Obama needs to fix this. This isn't wearing native dress: this is a PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE belonging to a church for 20 years where the Pastor espouses these philosophies, OFTEN and LOUDLY.

Elections are won in single digits, sometimes FRACTIONS of single digits. Obama has got plenty of baggage at this point relating to a lot of people. To NOT want him to jettison some is crazy.

[dbonds]

77. The gay analogy was an attempt to add context to Wright's statements.

I don't think you are just looking for dirt on Obama. My question earlier was do you personally find it offensive or just think others will? I truthfully honestly do not find Wrights remarks offensive, I'm not just spinning for the Obama team (which I do support, but he wasn't my first choice - that would be Kucinich) I may be over generous with what I attribute to the public at large's ability to understand Wright. But even if they didn't Obama has already said he disagreed with a lot of his statements. So how would you suggest it should be handled from here? What would stop this from 'melting down'? In a seperate post I told I thought Obama should get ahead of the spin and do something like a 60 minutes interview followed by commercials? Any thoughts?

[Tyler Durden]

79. I find ANYONE's devisive remarks offensive.

My suggestion is not popular: if he wants to be elected, he has basically one choice. Throw Wright under the bus.

He has to denounce him completely and thoroughly. You cannot explain this away; it is similar to the Ferraro incident: many would agree that part of the reason Obama is where he is relates to the fact that he is a person of color. This is nothing to be ashamed of, and is not something when remarked on is evidence of racism. This is a fact, no matter how one spins it. Clinton did the exact thing that had to be done to minimize damage: she quickly and completely threw a fine American under the bus.

This is POLITICS. If you want to be on the side of the RIGHT, I would say go take up the cloth but Mr. Wright has proved that isn't precisely accurate.

Obama has two choices: One preserves an outside chance of winning, the other guarantees losing. We have seen this so many times, I cannot believe there is still an argument going on.

Personally? I find the Reverend's remarks foolish and offensive, the same way he should find my remarks foolish and offensive if I compared him to Huey Newton or his church to the MOVE! organization, neither of which are appropriate. I believe in working TOGETHER, moving toward the co-existence that is possible, but unlikely. And I believe that given this background, Senator Obama would have been better advised to remain where he could have done so very much good: the US SENATE. Now there are a PLETHORA of prominent Democrats that will be tarred with the Rev. Wright's brush, and my biggest fear is that we could even lose ground in the legislature through guilt by association.

NONE of this is worth, in my opinion, taking even a 1 in 5 chance on happening, and I believe the odds much worse.

I hope I'm wrong, but my memory is excellent, and I remember what happened to so many fine Democrats over the last 40 years who tried for this office and failed or in succeeding did more damage to the party than good.

[Creideiki]

84. I don't particularly care

But I'm from Illinois. I'm used to dealing with politicians that everyone knows are gutter slime, but are effective gutter slime. Where I'm from, this is par for the course.

Now, start figuring out how to counter the negative political ads. Because they will convince some people to either stay home or go the other way.

[moose65]

85. So what was Obama supposed to do?

Twenty years ago he was a 25 year old kid. Was he supposed to think "uh oh, I can't join this church because I might run for president some day and it will come back to haunt me?" Gimme a break. No one thinks in those terms. There are many things I've heard from the pulpit that I don't agree with... but just because I was sitting in the church, does that make me guilty of having those views? This will go away fast. The American public has a short memory.

[Tyler Durden]

86. No, he was supposed to NOT be associated with a BIGOT.

I didn't go to an IVY LEAGUE law school. I was at the University of Michigan, marching with SNCC, the Rainbow People's Party, and the Gay Liberation Front (even then, gay people were accepting and not bigoted against us straights).

Are you saying that 25 is too young to know that sort of speech (in 1982, mind) is completely and utterly inappropriate?

Bullshit.

And if America has that short a memory, then they deserve a prevaricating, hedging, and untruthful waffler like this guy.

Disclaimer: Clinton is not much better, and McCain is infinitely worse.

[hifalutin]

59. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4533414

[dbonds]

62. Show me where Obama says he is his mentor.

So far all has been shown was third party characterizations.

[Iceburg]

63. He is Obama's mentor and has been so for 20 years

I find his preachings appalling -- menacingly sexist and racist. I can only imagine what he says about the GLBT community.

[hifalutin]

44. You forgot to mention the white folks,

sounds like a lot of reverse racism in there too.

[Zuiderelle]

18. That pastor makes me respect Obama just a tiny bit more.

Now that I've read it to the end... I guess he does manage to skate around it without denouncing anything in particular.
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In a statement to ABCNews.com, Obama's press spokesman Bill Burton said, "Sen. Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church. Sen. Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Sen. Obama deeply disagrees. But now that he is retired, that doesn't detract from Sen. Obama's affection for Rev. Wright or his appreciation for the good works he has done."
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Won't mean much to the people who want to use it as a weapon though.

[Tyler Durden]

20. If you hand a NEOCON a gun, he will shoot you.

This is a loaded gun. It doesn't matter WHAT anyone thinks about content or context.

[VaYallaDawg]

36. But where's the "personal" attack.

Looks to me like the rev. was attacking American society, not an individual person??

[VaYallaDawg]

33. Wow. This will get repeated over, and over, and over ...

It's not just a loaded gun in the hands of the RW - more like a guided missile! And the previous poster who noted that the party that has to do the most explaining is always the one that loses in a tactical struggle. Yikes.

[hifalutin]

65. Especially the

God damn America bit, even I think that was a little over the top.
I can imagine how the other side will push.
Can't blame this one on 'spin' I'm afraid.

[galledgoblin]

34. LOL I love grumpy old guys

maybe it's just my neck of the woods, but everyone I know tends to agree with the pastor. if you aren't a blind jingoist, you recognize that America has messed up over the years and stirred up hornets nests through action and inaction.

I'm not worried, he said it in a loud and controversial way, but he's not saying anything new.

[Tyler Durden]

39. Your political experience is not looking real valid.

This week, Geraldine Ferraro, a long term Democratic Party veteran got EXCORIATED for speaking what is likely the truth, even though it sounds nasty.

I want you to imagine the commerial...Wright's voice looped saying "God Damn America! God Damn America! God Damn America!" fading away. The voiceover comes up: "Do YOU want YOUR NEXT PRESIDENT advised by Jerimiah Wright?"

Unless you are completely delusional, you will see it is POLITICAL SUICIDE to have this in the General Election, no matter HOW you feel about the content.

[galledgoblin]

58. guess I'm just completely delusional then

at least I'm not alone in my delusions

[Tyler Durden]

71. We were delusional in 1972 as well.

You really ought to learn from that.

[galledgoblin]

74. Nixon v. McGovern? you're really comparing that race to todays?

why would you think they're anything alike?

a better comparison would be 1968, and provided no one kills Obama, this may be our second chance to get things right.

[Tyler Durden]

75. I was THERE in both 1968 AND in 1972...were YOU?

An unpopular losing war, a populist with warts, an incumbent criminal....


HELLO?


We ignored McGovern's warts, and he got SLAUGHTERED. Obama doesn't need to be landslided: losing the south and a maybe a battleground state will kill his campaign just as dead.

Obama has as much in common with RFK (a personal hero) as he a duck does. I refuse to debate the late, great Robert F. Kennedy with you. It's enough that I mention Obama in the same breath as George McGovern, ALSO a much better candidate if you ask me.

[galledgoblin]

81. an unpopular losing war in which the incumbent was the "WARTIME PRESIDENT"

Nixon in '72 was much more like Bush in '04, not McCain in '08. it doesn't matter how much they have screwed things up in their time in office, if it's a wartime incumbent, they're next to impossible to beat.

I think the '68 election is much closer, we feel like we can start fresh and do things better this time around.

and no, I wasn't there, I was born in the 80s...

[Tyler Durden]

82. Then you have no idea how it was.

I worked for RFK as a teen, and McGovern as a college student. I KNOW how it went, and how we said "Oh, they'll know his HEART!"

Bullshit. They know from BUDWEISER and the sooner you learn that, the better you will understand how they think.

[dbackjon]

35. And the difference between this and Pat Robertson's statements are what?

Bush/Republicans still embrase/seek out the endorsements of those nuts. They said basically the exact same things.

[Tyler Durden]

40. I can't reason with you if you won't see reason.

This has to be denounced. NOW. If Obama won't do that, get ready to hear every single soundbite that Wright has available to the RIGHT 100 times before August, and 10,000 times before November.

[dbackjon]

42. I don't agree with the statements

But again, what is the difference between these remarks, and the remarks by Robertson, et al after 9/11, blaming America for the attacks?

[hifalutin]

47. The difference is and will be pointed out

that none of them has asked God to damn America.

[dbackjon]

50. Robertson did.

[Creideiki]

57. There's something about two wrongs and all that

Robertson was mocked even among the conservatives I know.

[hifalutin]

60. Could you

provide a link please?

[Iceburg]

64. Did chimp ever claim in public that PR was his mentor? spiritual advisor?

[Tyler Durden]

72. How can ANYONE on a GLBT forum not see this issue is LIT DYNAMITE?

This will GALVANIZE the right. Now they don't need abortion or Jesus. They have minister of a candidate's church for 20 years spouting anti-American propaganda.

WHY do you minimize this? If Obama LISTENS to his supporters, you should all be calling him in a blind panic begging him to DO SOMETHING before it's too late.

Hell, if he doesn't get the nod, then hey fine. It makes Clinton look even better that she "...knocked off that Anti-American Obama." and it's exactly what they'll say. I should be convincing you all to just let it lie, but I think he has an excellent chance of getting the nod: he needs to fix this so the Republicans can't use it.

[okasha]

73. I doubt it can be fixed, Tyler.

People don't just sit for twenty years in a church where the pastor regularly offends them by damning their mutual country and dry-humping the pulpit. And nothing less than claiming mortal offense and lack of knowledge would even begin to get Obama clear of this. The alternative explanation--which I think is actually the true one--is that he joined this church and maintained his membership as a means of creating a political identity in the African-American community. If he's not a bigot, he's an opportunist. In either case, he's judgement-impaired if he didn't think his association with Wright would eventually turn and bite him.

[bushmeister0]

78. So he said the State Department should be nuked, so what?

"TV preacher Pat Robertson drew widespread criticism in October for suggesting that the headquarters of the U.S. State Department should be destroyed with a nuclear device.

Robertson, a longtime foe of the State Department, made the comments during a '700 Club' interview with writer Joel Mowbray, author of a new book critical of the department.

'I read your book,' Robertson said. 'When you get through, you say, "If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom, I think that's the answer." I mean, you get through this, and you say, "We've got to blow that thing up,"' Robertson said."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3944/is_200311/ai_n9316713

But he didn't say "God damn America." That's much worse. We know all those pantywaists at Foggy Bottom just want to talk our ememies to death. Watch our God doesn't send a hurricane their way!

[Tyler Durden]

80. He is a madman. Is Wright a madman?

If so, what is Obama doing listening to him for 20 years? Why is he on an Obama policy committee?

This is foolish.

[bushmeister0]

76. Yeah, but does he wear a flag pin on his lapel?

[Moloch]

83. That's pretty off-topic for the GLBT forum.

I don't think GLBT issues were even mentioned in the article.

[Tyler Durden]

87. More of a "MORE BIGOTRY" issue, which is oblique...

...but do you know a group more victimized of late by bigotry than GLBT people? I don't. Women come in a very close second.