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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:01 PM Original message |
My 8th grade son and his friends use this term "that's so gay." At first I was a little shocked at |
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NMDemDist2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
1. i'm gonna kick these as I would like to see the responses |
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thatsrightimirish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
2. people said it a lot when i was in the 8th grade |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. That's funny because my San Francisco cousins used that term |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
4. It was used when I was in school in the 70's and 80's |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
5. Explain to him exactly why it's wrong. DO NOT hesitate. |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. I agree. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 07:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
62. Great point, haruka...! |
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TheDebbieDee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. My kids started using that term about 4 or 5 years ago......... |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. It is negative and slurrish. |
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gator_in_Ontario (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 07:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
124. I used that same argument |
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GOPNotForMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
85. So the logic is that "gay" = "lame", and you see no problem with that? |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 07:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
90. So "lame" is a positive thing to you? n/t |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
7. i hate it. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Thank you, xchrom -- I was just going to write the same exact thing |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
34. "Lame" is no worse if you're disabled. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 07:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
36. For clarity, I didn't say that. I said my young cousins used it |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 10:34 AM Response to Reply #7 |
44. No it would not be okay, but that is not exactly my concern. |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 11:32 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. You really don't get it do you? |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 11:40 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. What Puglover said |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. I think it is you who does not get it. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 08:54 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. No, it's you that doesn't get it |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 07:39 AM Response to Reply #53 |
73. So then inquiring minds want to know. |
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PurpleChez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 07:10 AM Response to Reply #53 |
91. Agreed! The previous poster, though obviously sincere and |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 02:20 PM Response to Reply #91 |
112. How nice that you think me "sincere". Now, you want to tell me exactly |
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PurpleChez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #112 |
119. I am quite able to "wrap my mind" around that idea, |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Oh God |
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PurpleChez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. I'd already read that quote in another post. |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 06:15 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Please take note that the OP |
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PurpleChez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 07:16 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Oh, yeah...it was totally ass that the OP asked for advice |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Of course it's the same as saying, "That's so n****r |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 02:46 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I am not dismissing it in any way. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 12:02 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. you didn't really want our opinions -- this was about some exercise |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 07:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
61. Here's a suggestion. |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
8. It's been in use for quite some time. |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Yeah, except it also bashes a group of people. nt |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 10:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. It used to be okay to use other terms that were derogatory, too |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 11:23 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I didn't say it was or should be. |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 12:23 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. OK, but... |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #40 |
56. Correct. |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 06:04 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Thank you, MrSlayer... |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
9. My son (now 40) used that term back in the 70's |
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crim son (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
10. It's a phrase they use in the middle school here. |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. I'm glad you don't let your kids use it. |
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crim son (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. ... |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
13. Kids have been using that expression for at least 30 years, |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:27 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. It doesn't matter what it "means" |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
16. I'm gay and I use that phrase sometimes |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 03:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
135. LOL! When I was learning bar tending, I told myself one thing |
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Der Blaue Engel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
17. My son said it once, and I set him straight (so to speak!) |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Thank you very much |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 11:18 AM Response to Reply #17 |
46. I didn't say I thought it was harmless. See my other posts for my real issues about this. |
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FARAFIELD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
19. Hi there |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Well, you should stop using it. |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. Well, now you know it's offensive, don't you? |
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GOPNotForMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 09:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
86. Then get a better vocabulary. |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
23. Yeah, lots of thoughts. |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 11:14 AM Response to Reply #23 |
45. I don't hesitate because I don't feel it's wrong. I hesitate as a matter of effective parenting. |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 06:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. This is what puzzles me. |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 09:51 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Thanks for you extensive and well thought out explanation. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
77. I totally agree with you. That Stephanie on Survivor used "that's so gay" |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
24. The *huge* irony here is that school administrators.... |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
25. Gee how would you feel about |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
27. Flashback to a Simpsons episode--"You kissed a girl? That is SO gay!" |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 07:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. No, it should be taken seriously. |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 11:22 AM Response to Reply #30 |
47. I DO set the example. I do NOT use them. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
28. This is honestly quite offensive |
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Glorfindel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
29. Stop your son from using it. My favorite nephew used the term |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 11:25 AM Response to Reply #29 |
48. It's practically unforgivable that your nephew used this term in front of you? |
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foreigncorrespondent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
31. Wow! |
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index555 (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:53 AM Response to Reply #31 |
72. and how many Gays have used the term "breeder"? |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 10:15 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Oh I KNOW! |
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Jella (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:58 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. If all this were equal |
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foreigncorrespondent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 05:09 PM Response to Reply #72 |
80. Not many actually! |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
33. I complained to the principal about 1st graders using it |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
35. As others noted, it's been around for a long time. |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
37. It was used in the 1970s when I was a child. In fact I may have used |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 02:29 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Well actually Nancy Kerrigan said it was "corny", not gay... |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 03:11 AM Response to Original message |
42. I use it with my gay friends |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
43. yeah i hate it... |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
55. seems ironic to me; Gay should be a synomym for |
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Der Blaue Engel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
57. You asked for our thoughts, and I think you've gotten plenty |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
60. My teens *used* to say it... and this is why I say *used* to. |
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torrentprime (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
64. I'm gay |
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Jella (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 10:08 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Great post but... |
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torrentprime (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 10:22 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. almost |
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Jella (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 10:34 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. OK, you corrected me on that |
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torrentprime (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 10:37 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I completely agree |
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Jella (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 10:45 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Yup |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
84. "the term IS offensive, and is not gay-positive" |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 05:43 AM Response to Reply #64 |
89. this is -- without a doubt -- one of the MOST bizarre |
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mahatmakanejeeves (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
67. I see it all the time. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 08:18 AM Response to Reply #67 |
74. Of course you can do something about it -- and, the word hasn't changed |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
78. Find out how many times a day he uses it, and try to Jew him down to about half of that. |
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torrentprime (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. hm |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Don't know. Don't care. 90% "Breeder" Majority of the population can deal with it. Yawn. n/t |
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GOPNotForMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 09:53 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. Classic bait and switch. "Breeder" is not the topic of discussion as much as you want it to be. nt |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 07:22 AM Response to Reply #81 |
92. Is that you, pnw...? |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #81 |
113. I promise to give it up |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #81 |
132. Any idea when blacks will stop using the term "cracker"? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
79. I think we should start saying, "that's so bi" |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. I think we should start refering to things as "So Republican" |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
88. A bigoted comment is a bigoted comment is a bigoted comment. |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 12:17 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. calling someone a bigot is less malicious somehow |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 01:24 PM Response to Reply #97 |
105. I never called anyone a bigot. I said the comment was. |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 01:32 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. well "you" being collectively |
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moose65 (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
93. Here's my 2 cents |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
94. I'm a bigot and proud of it |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 11:52 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Count this a first Sui. |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 12:03 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. we're looking for blanket rules to absolve us |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. As I said up thread I believe |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 12:59 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. and I have one thing to say to you! |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 01:01 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. That means alot. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. The threadstarter came in to our forum and asked a question about the phrase. |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. I understand having a personal opinion on it |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 01:24 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. Good points. |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #103 |
111. Ha! The word homo and fag |
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moose65 (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. Wow.... I never heard "fem" in school! |
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adamblast (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. No, we're looking to stop hurting people. |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 01:24 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. I said I agree in principle |
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adamblast (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. Teen self-hated and labeling... |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. respectfully I think we're making more of it |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 01:23 PM Response to Reply #94 |
104. sorry sui..normally i agree with you..but thats so gay is insulting |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 01:29 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. I agree it is insulting too |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 03:11 PM Response to Reply #108 |
126. Nothing like being consistent. |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
115. So saying (gay = stupid/lame/f*d up) is ok with some of you? |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 04:48 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. whenever somebody says "so you're basically saying" |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. We can't protect them from everything, but we can make personal choices |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
120. One last post about this: I'm not sure how many lies it is between, on the one hand, |
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kdpeters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
127. I wouldn't worry about it. To him, it's probably completely unrelated to orientation |
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kdpeters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 11:04 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. After reading some of the other responses, I've changed my opinion a little |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 02:00 AM Response to Reply #128 |
130. kdp, your second post... |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
129. That phrase was used a lot when I was in school ... |
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Siyahamba (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
131. Please, try and nip this in the bud. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. Wow, you're so *self- righteous*. Imagine.... |
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hyde (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 08:03 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. I used to use the phrase myself in high school |
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DarkTirade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
136. When I hear someone do that |
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DarkTirade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 08:02 AM Response to Reply #136 |
137. I've heard at least one |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-31-06 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
138. This thread reminds me of the Tar Baby thread that ran a few |
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