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LostinRed Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 01:55 AM
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Just stop giving to the DNC
I just stop giving to the DNC I've been giving 25 dollars a month to the DNC for the last five year. I just called today to cancel that payment until DADT and DOMA are repealed and ENDA is passed. I'll be giving my 25 dollars to HRC until that time. I realize that the Democratic party is by far light years ahead of the Republican party as far as gay rights is concerned but President Obama made promises to our community we need to hold him and Democratic lawmakers accountable. http://gay.americablog.com/2009/11/dont-ask-dont-give.html
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:26 AM
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1. Who?
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:56 AM
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2. Exactly!
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:19 AM
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3. del
Edited on Wed Nov-25-09 03:21 AM by Go2Peace
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:40 AM
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4. Don't waste your $$$ on the HRC either.
It's your money and you can give it to whomever you wish but -- it'll do more good locally. HRC doesn't deserve it, imho. They couldn't get an LGBT person elected dog-catcher, much less produce anything substantive with all their "access".
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:24 AM
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6. exactly, i despise those assholes. they support republicans
and Lieberman and they KISS obama's ass.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:44 AM
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5. Oh, look! It's John Aravosis driving wedges again!
Edited on Wed Nov-25-09 03:45 AM by struggle4progress
We'll see a real effort to get rid of DADT, and one should expect the effort to be successful:

Quinnipiac poll: Majority of Americans believe Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell should be repealed
By Matt Corley on Apr 30th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/30/quinnipiac-poll-dadt/

Attitudes Toward 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy Radically Change
Poll: Broad Support for Gays in Military Including from Conservatives and Evangelicals
ANALYSIS by EMILY B. GUSKIN
July 19, 2008
http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/story?id=5387980&page=1

But the Republican party is increasingly extreme: a majority of self-identified Republicans will not accept that Obama was born in the US, and a majority similarly thinks ACORN stole the 2008 election. Republican candidates will probably continue to cater to that base, as they have in recent years:

Republicans Want 'Don't Ask' Law
Republican Candidates Approve of Anti-Gay U.S. Military Policy
© Kat Long
Jan 13, 2008
http://gay-rights-law.suite101.com/article.cfm/gopers_keep_dont_ask_dont_tell

September 2, 2008 04:10 PM
GOP Platform: No Gays in the Military
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aubrey-sarvis/gop-platform-no-gays-in-t_b_123292.html

So DADT repeal will produce some rightwing backlash. The backlash will probably be inadequate to have any effect on DADT -- but the Republicans (for whom rightwing extremists are an essential constituency) will nevertheless attempt to capitalize on it, and (unfortunately) that will sway some fence-sitters on DOMA, where the public is more closely split:

Support grows for federal DOMA repeal
By 365gay Newscenter Staff
05.12.2009 8:46am EDT
... In a recent public opinion poll, voters showed narrow support maintaining DOMA – 50-44 percent. The survey of 2,041 registered voters nationwide was taken by Quinnipiac University’s polling institute. http://www.365gay.com/news/support-grows-for-federal-doma-repeal/

This means that DADT repeal, if coupled with progressive losses in 2010, would reduce short-term prospects for DOMA repeal -- though it is unlikely to affect long-term repeal prospects (because continued Republican pandering to rightwing extremists will cause further hemorrhaging of moderates and centrists from Republican ranks)

A DOMA repeal attempt itself will produce a similar backlash, but an analysis of that should take into account the fact that many states currently have substantial and unfair restrictions on marriage: this means that a DOMA repeal is more difficult that a DADT repeal, and it suggests that it really would be advantageous to have as much control as possible of Congress and various state legislatures when attempting such a repeal -- in order to minimize the backlash, which presumably will include yet another Republican drive for a federal marriage amendment. Two or three years after a DOMA repeal, of course, the repeal will have become completely noncontroversial: the political hazard lies in the period immediately before and after the repeal

The bottom line: to win these fights, progressives need a substantial political power. It will probably help to remove as many rightwing DADT and DOMA supporters as possible from political office at all levels (local, state, and federal); allowing rightwing extremists to replace unexciting moderates and centrists in office won't help. So if you don't want to give to the DNC, at least do your best to keep some troglodytes out of office next November



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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:17 AM
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7. I'll take wedges over Log Cabin Democrat any day - and anyone who
hasn't seen this one played over and over again is either way into denial or simply into being abused.

They beg us for the money, they beg us for the vote, they promise us great and wonderful things if we put them in office, give them the majorities to make it happen.

Then, as soon as they are in there, the excuses start - we need to get this bit of legislation done first, we need to work on that program and GLBT issues would be a distraction - ooops, it's too close to the elections, it would hurt us to take this up now - btw, we need your money and your votes.

Come on, EDNA has been introduced every Congressional session since 1994 except for one. We're now heading into our 8th Congressional election cycle and still being told that they can't pass this, it's too close to elections

And at the same time, we laugh at how much the Fundies get used by the Republicans with promises of bans on abortions and Constitutional marriage issues. And once the R's are back in power, they shunt them off to the side until they need to drag them out again for the votes and dollars. Because, after all, who else are those people going to vote for.
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