My semi annual thread: People are BIG FAT LIARS about Gay Marriage

[La Lioness Priyanka]

The religious bigots have been trying to convince everyone that their ONLY objection is the word Marriage. Marriage implies religion and they should have a right to practice their homophobic religion. Marriage has religious roots, and they dont want tolerance to mix with those roots etc.

However, this is just pure horseshit.

They do not want to give us rights. Rights legitimize us and they want us to stay illegitimate. They want us to suffer from internalized homophobia, depression, anxiety and hosts of other issues that people who grow up as outsiders and are reviled suffer. They do not want us to have any chance of happiness and any legitimacy.

This is not about marriage vs civil unions.

This is about legitimizing us in ANY form.

Therefore I do not think we should bother believing these liars and settling for civil unions. It will be as hard to pass those as to pass marriage. Do not believe these liars. Do not think civil unions will pass. They will be just as hard and these fuckers will fight us just as hard on civil unions. There are places in which civil unions will pass, but those places would likely pass marriage as well. The word isnt the issue. The attitude and homophobia is the issue.


For proof I cite these articles:


NM partner bill dies in Senate: http://www.365gay.com/news/nm-partner-bill-dies-in-senate/

Idaho LGBT rights bill dies in committee: http://www.365gay.com/news/idaho-lgbt-rights-bill-dies-in-committee/

All 5 LGBT bills die in Utah: http://www.365gay.com/news/all-5-lgbt-bills-die-in-utah/

Hawaii Protests Gay Civil Unions: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/267897

RI Gov Vetoes Same Sex Funeral Rights: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/11/national/main5608892.shtml

And a quote from RNC Chairman Michael Steele when asked " Do you favor civil unions?”

GOP Chairman Michael Steele No, no no. What would we do that for? What are you, crazy? No.Why would we backslide on a core, founding value of this country? I mean this isn’t something that you just kind of like, “Oh well, today I feel, you know, loosey-goosey on marriage.”

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com /

[Berry Cool]

1. Oh, you're absolutely right. They want to make GLBT people's lives miserable

so they can point to them and say "See? This is what it's like to be one of these people. You are doomed to be miserable and unhappy."

Nothing like a self-fulfilling tautology!

[sandnsea]

2. Right. Gays and lesbians who fought for civil unions

don't want gays and lesbians to have any rights.

:crazy:

People have simply got to give up the hysterical hyperbole. It doesn't help anything.

Oregon passed civil unions and gay rights. Now we're going to go back to work to overturn the Gay Marriage amendment. Protection not perfection.

If gay people mean it when they fight for civil unions, so do straight people.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. yes, thats clearly exactly what i meant. nt

[sandnsea]

6. Of course it's not what you "meant"

But it is what *I* meant and it is what *I* mean when I fight for civil unions. If gay people mean it, so do I. No difference and stop pulling shit out of thin air to bash people who are trying to fucking help you.

[Toasterlad]

9. Your Help Is Not Wanted.

We are not grateful for your work to make us legal second-class citizens.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

10. yes, because clearly that too was what my post was doing.

[sandnsea]

13. Yes it clearly is what you were doing

Whether you recognize it or not.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. No. it isnt and you must really really want to take offense at my supposed attack

on those who fight for any lgbt rights to take offense.

:eyes:

[sandnsea]

16. Oh, now it's "any lgbt rights" not just marriage

See how that works? You know I'm right and rather than admit your rant is wrong, you backpedal and try to change the topic.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. No you are in no way right. i think you cant read and have a bug up your ass.

either way its not my fault.

the same op was posted about 6 months ago and no one interpreted it in the way you are. this is a YOU type issue, not a ME type issue.

[sandnsea]

19. Undoubtedly

I'm trying to point out how incredibly stupid it is to pretend that there aren't gay people out there working very hard for civil unions and how ecstatic they are when that legislation passes. Why do you pretend gay people aren't absolutely thrilled when they get civil union protection? Why is that okay - but it's not okay for straight people to help gain those protections?

That's what your OP indicates, whether you can wrap your head around it or not. Straight people who are helping to fight for civil unions can't possibly have any other motive except to make you feel bad about yourself. How Stupid.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. NO, these are not things my thread indicates or implies. nt

[sandnsea]

27. Equality, civil unions, marriage - which?

When are straight people secretly hiding their animosity towards gays? Because you and Toasterland keep using the terms interchangeably as it suits your response.

Stop hating on people who are on your side.

[Toasterlad]

25. Since When Do You Speak For Gay People?

This gay person would certainly NOT be "absolutely thrilled" with civil union protection, nor, indeed, with anything less than full equality.

This is basically what you're saying: "How dare you ungrateful homos still complain after I donated $25 to get you your own water fountains!"

[sandnsea]

29. Those in Oregon are.

They were in Vermont when civil union laws were first signed. A DUer was ecstatic when her employment benefits were extended to her partner.

I am sick of people who are just full of shit.

[Toasterlad]

37. Have You Ever Even MET a Gay Person?

[sandnsea]

39. Yeah I fight for civil unions

in Oregon and any state that has no benefits, because I don't know any gay people.

You seriously need help. You are hateful and alienating people. I have never met such hateful gay people as exist on DU. Ever.

[Toasterlad]

41. You Can Stop Fighting.

As I said, we don't need any more water fountains, thank you.

[closeupready]

66. It is INDEED a Sandnsea type issue, and I know that because I recall back when

gay marriage first started percolating as a topic, and Sandnsea actually THREATENED the glbt people here that he/she would campaign AGAINST gay marriage in Oregon unless we obeyed his/her commands. I honestly do not recall the exact context, but I do recall that thread like it was yesterday.

Having said that, I personally appreciate Sandnsea's support for glbt people and their rights, but I do feel that I would be lying by omission if I didn't point out in support of lionness that there is a history of this adversarial poster twisting people's words, making him/herself out to be a victim when he/she is not being victimized here.

Let's all just chill out, okay. Peace.

[sandnsea]

73. That is just a complete lie

I said the same thing I'm saying today. If it's true that you don't want civil unions, I'll be happy to oppose them in Oregon. Offer still stands.

[closeupready]

74. Yes, that's how you phrased it before - "JUST SAY THE WORD!!"

Something along those lines - remember?

[sandnsea]

77. If you don't want civil unions -

just say the word. Clearly you aren't going to because every gay person DOES want civil unions over nothing - so why not just stop with the crap that says anybody who supports civil unions is a homophobe who hates gay marriage. It's not true.

Don't distort what I said.

[closeupready]

83. Here you go again.

:eyes:

[ThomCat]

44. Why are you being so argumentative and putting out so much Bullshit?

You are posting shit that says nothing about the OP. You aren't even trying to refute anything in the OP.

You are being constantly disruptive because apparently you really enjoy it, or because it's your job. Either way, you really aren't fooling anyone.

[Toasterlad]

5. The Vast Majority of Gay People Are Not Fighting for Civil Unions

anymore than black people were fighting for separate water fountains in the 50's and 60's.

Gay people fight for EQUALITY. Civil unions are not equality.

If you are fighting on our behalf for civil unions, please go away and stop fighting for us. You are counter-productive.

[sandnsea]

7. They did in Oregon

Maybe that's why they have rights in this state.

[Toasterlad]

11. You Don't Have EQUALITY In Your State.

THAT'S what gay people want.

[sandnsea]

15. And we're going to work on overturning the ban

Did you miss that part of my post?

Were the gay people who worked for partnership protection secretly wanting to make gay people feel bad about themselves, the way the OP says?

How stupid can people be. People are putting themselves on the line for the slightest bit of progress and what do you do? Bash them. It's insane.

[Toasterlad]

21. The Only One Bashing Gay People In This Thread Is You

The OP never once said that people who worked for equality should feel bad. She said that straight religious assholes who say they are only concerned with the word marriage are fucking lying.

How you turned that into "gay people working for civil unions are being bashed" is incomprehensible. Then again, you're the same person who thinks that bathroom sex = pedophilia, so your logic is spotty at best.

You should probably avoid GLBT people and issues. I fear you will never understand them.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

24. Thank you.

fucking insane

[sandnsea]

26. Not equality, civil unions

You keep mixing up the words, now that I've called her on it.

People who work for civil unions aren't working for equality, and consequently are assholes who hate gays. That is specifically what that OP says.

And obviously I don't think gays who work for civil unions are trying to make gays feel bad, that's the entire point. Gays working for civil unions are working for progress, and so are straights. Stop villifying them.

And people who cruise bathrooms for sex are fucked up in the head. That's what I said. Not that they were pedophiles, that's what YOU twisted it into because you're a sick hateful person and that's got nothing to do with your sexual orientation. It's just YOU.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

28. could you quote where in the OP it states that, so i can fix it?

"People who work for civil unions aren't working for equality, and consequently are assholes who hate gays. That is specifically what that OP says."

[sandnsea]

30. Oh well you edited your OP

You know I'm right. I've said what I have to say to you. Stop hating on people who are trying to help.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

34. NO. i added a sentence to my OP but i didnt take a single thing out.

so had i said "People who work for civil unions aren't working for equality, and consequently are assholes who hate gays. That is specifically what that OP says." it would still be there.

you can search for this op in du's past history too, since its pretty much the same OP.

[sandnsea]

36. People are big fat liars about gay marriage

means that people who work for civil unions aren't working for the benefit of gays.

That's the entire premise of your post.

[Name removed]

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[sandnsea]

40. Keep proving my point, you're just a hateful person n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

43. no. he really is not. you are just really trying hard to imply that this OP

is hateful, when its not

its really a YOU type problem.

[sandnsea]

47. People who fight for civil unions do not hate gay people

Now you edit your OP to clarify that point - and I'll conclude you didn't mean to imply that.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

48. I DID NOT EDIT MY OP TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE MY OP NEVER SAID THAT IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=121457&mesg_id=121457

is a copy of the original op.

[sandnsea]

52. The entire post says that

People who advocate for civil unions do not do it because they oppose gay marriage.

They do it because "They want us to suffer from internalized homophobia, depression, anxiety and hosts of other issues that people who grow up as outsiders and are reviled suffer."

That's what you said. It's not about civil unions vs gay marriage, you're not going to settle for civil unions. Civil unions is advocated by people who hate gays. What other conclusion could one possibly come to after reading your post?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

54. NO it doesnt say that. you are splicing your sentence and my sentence to create a meaning that does

not exist. where is a full sentence that says " People who advocate for civil unions do not do it because they oppose gay marriage.

They do it because "They want us to suffer from internalized homophobia, depression, anxiety and hosts of other issues that people who grow up as outsiders and are reviled suffer." "

[sandnsea]

55. Okay then.

Whenever I see you call people who advocate civil unions, homophobes, I'll remind you of this post.

Fair enough?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

56. NO, because its also not what i said. you are splicing your words and my sentence to create a meanin

that doesnt exist in my op, show me a sentence that says any of the thigns you accuse my op of.

[sandnsea]

57. Are people who support civil unions homophobes?

If not, we're in agreement. I'll go ahead and say I misunderstood your post. Provided you agree that if I see you in a thread supporting that view in the future - I'll remind you that you don't really believe that.

I don't get the problem.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

58. i dont get your convoluted logic. i think you may be insane. nt

[sandnsea]

59. You can't say civil union advocates aren't homophobes

but I'm the one who's insane. Okay, whatever. I have to go.

:rofl:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

65. I wont say it because i never said they were. this is somethign you created in your head

[sandnsea]

75. Good enough - see post #70

You would agree that toasterlad is wrong to call that guy a kook, correct?

[RetiredTrotskyite]

99. The OP didn't imply any fucking such thing...

YOU are the one coming to that conclusion. She said what I have been saying for years now: the Religious Wrong is lying through its fucking teeth when it says it's only objection is to the word and that they would be fine with "civil unions". And if there are people who object to the principle of "separate but equal" grow the fuck up and realise that not everyone has to agree with your limited concept of GLBTQ rights.

You seem to think that we should all jump in line with you because (insert scary noise here)if we don't, you won't support us. Ooooh, I'm scaaaaaaared--NOT! Nothing like a condescending straight who thinks it will be the end of the fight if we don't accept what they think is appropriate.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

42. OH MY GOD. you either really cant read or want to take offense.

That line is followed by "The religious bigots have been trying to convince everyone that their ONLY objection is the word Marriage. Marriage implies religion and they should have a right to practice their homophobic religion. Marriage has religious roots, and they dont want tolerance to mix with those roots etc.

However, this is just pure horseshit. "

Seriously.

[Sapphocrat]

91. Pri, didn't you learn anything from Barney Frank?

You know, about arguing with dining room tables?

(There's another saying about wrestling with pigs in mud, but it escapes me for the moment.)

:D

[La Lioness Priyanka]

LOL! by the way, fabulous article about the crazy woman yasmir nair!

i passionately hate her. thanks for writing about her insanity :http://news.lavenderliberal.com/2009/05/20/who-is-yasmin-nair-and-why-does-this-alleged-queer-lesbian-parrot-right-wing-anti-gay-talking-points/

[Sapphocrat]

110. Muchas gracias. :)

What infuriates me far more than Nair's hateful, anti-gay rants is the trend of the self-important, "post-marriage" "radical queers" to eat up her vile drivel as if it were candy, then spew it back out as if it were the holy writ.

(Don't want to get married? Then don't get married. But damn those who attempt to derail marriage for everyone else because it doesn't jive with their worldview. They're the mirror image of the radical right fundies, attempting to force the rest of us to live by their "values.")

Nair and her minions are the reason I refuse to read The Bilerico Project any longer -- as well as Bil Browning himself, who publicly mocked that very article you mention.

Still, I'm sorry she decided against writing a whole new column flaming me personally, as is her wont with anyone who fails to worship at the foot of her throne; either I'm not enough of a threat for her to attack, or my assessment is too dead-on to rebut. LOL

[La Lioness Priyanka]

116. she is an idiot. and idiot who cant read statistic. the stats show that women of color lesbian

will benefit most from marriage

she and her pseudo intellectual uber fashionable antimarriage crowd can drown in a well of their own self loathing far as i care

[closeupready]

68. Yup. I posted as much upthread. You are right, lioness.

n/t

[SacredCow]

46. Oh, BS.... I read the OP before the edit notation appeared...

Not to mention the fact that the GLBT set here have debated the civil unions vs marriage topic ad nauseum. I'm well aware of Lioness' position on this and have no reason to think that she'd call anybody who fought for civil unions evil, homophobic, or whatever.

I'm also well aware of your posting history re LGBT issues. Have you ever been in a thread about LGBT issues that DIDN'T become a flamewar? Does that not strike you as perhaps a warning sign that your views aren't terribly appreciated by LGBT folk?

[sandnsea]

49. Do you want to repeal civil unions laws?

I asked you before and you didn't answer.

Yes, when people try to justify fucking in public bathrooms, I tend to tell them they're nuts. And that tends to turn into a flame war on DU. Nowhere else in the country - only DU. :crazy:

[SacredCow]

53. I didn't answer you because you're operating in stream of consciousness....

or flat-out, face to the floor drunk- I don't know which. The point of the OP was crystal clear, and you went of on some uncharted tangent for reasons that I can not POSSIBLY imagine.

Where in FSM's holy noodley name do you get that I, or anybody else here, is trying to justify fucking in bathrooms by comparing civil unions and marriage?

Oh, I get it- the equation in your head is: Gay men (perhaps women, too) = Fucking in bathrooms. That's just what we do, right? So, your argument is that we can't have a marriage based on the "fact" that all we want to do is fuck in bathrooms? Why, pray tell, are you channeling 1950's sex-ed films about homosexuality and acting surprised that people here take issue?

[Toasterlad]

62. I Figured It Out. Here's The Deal With Sandnsea.

She does not want gays to have marriage rights. I'm betting it's a religion thing. But for whatever reason, she's against same sex marriage. But she's okay with them having civil unions, because that saves marriage for the special, special straight people.

Now, sandnsea doesn't think of herself as homophobic...after all, she's letting the gay people be ALMOST married, right? So she gets really angry if people imply that civil unions are not equality, because that implies that she's homophobic for not wanting dirty gay people to be able to get married.

Therefore, when she reads "I do not think we should bother believing these liars and settling for civil unions." she defensively reads it as "People who don't want filthy gays to get married, and only want them to have civil unions are homophobic bigots." Which, of course, is true, even if it's not what was said.

And that's sandnsea in a nutshell.

Oh, and to be fair, I'M the one who brought up the bathroom sex business in this thread. See, sandnsea and I are old friends from the Larry Craig days, when she was railing on the pandemic of gay bathroom sex, and how harmful it was to all the little boys in this country who would never be safe in a public restroom again. Because of all the gay guys having sex there.

[SacredCow]

64. Well, it all fits....

Thanks for the clarification!

:hi:

[sandnsea]

71. lol, completely untrue

I'm a gay marriage advocate which shows you don't pay any attention to what I actually say. I don't even believe in god. I don't care what people call their legal/religious union or if they even have one.

I am also a realist and can look around the country and recognize that getting gay rights through marriage isn't working. It's that simple.

And you are still the most hateful asshole I have ever come across - bar none.

[closeupready]

76. Do you see the irony in calling someone 'the most hateful asshole I have ever come across'?

Do you? :rofl:

[sandnsea]

79. I'm sure you do

But then you call people bigots who are advocating for your rights so I'm not surprised you're not able to see what kind of assholes you are.

[Toasterlad]

82. I Am Truly Honored.

And if it gets your mind off gay toilet sex, I think it's very healthy that you continue to think of me as the most hateful asshole ever. I'm happy to bear that burden so the rest of the gay community is spared your attention.

But if you're a gay marriage advocate, why are you fighting for separate water fountains instead of true equality? More importantly, why would you think that anyone besides YOU is fighting for separate water fountains? All those gay people you pretended to believe were attacked by the OP? They weren't fighting for civil unions. They were fighting for marriage. They GOT civil unions, because that's all the bigots in Oregon will currently allow them. However they, unlike you, have not STOPPED fighting, because same-sex marriage is not legal in Oregon, and THEY, unlike you, do not consider the fight over until it IS.

[Name removed]

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[LeftHander]

101. Gay Marriage battle was started when the right started banning it...

Marriage bans was always a right wing tactic to divide democrats so republicans could win elections. They thought it would work all the time. But the crazies took over and ultimately they still lost.

We were forced to fight to keep what little we had and try to stop them pushing the gains made back further and making real progress difficult.

They attacked us on multiple fronts with huge amounts of money. They pushed it to not simply excluding the institution of marriage BUT ANYTHING SIMILAR TO MARRIAGE...

The end result was a complete open door to eroding the rights and protections we gained over twenty years.

The Bush years solidified the religious right behind a cause they could win by playing the inherent homophobia is constant in our society thanks to fundamentalist religion.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

51. this is the original op. just for reference

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=121457&mesg_id=121457

[Toasterlad]

33. The OP Says No Such Thing. Please Quote The Words You're Referring To.

If you can do that, I'll personally join the the local chapter of All Homosexuals Who Engage In Bathroom Sex are Pedophiles Which Is Why Sandnsea Fears to Allow Her Son to Enter Public Restrooms Lest He Be Molested Which Is What She Said During the Larry Craig Fiasco Activist Group.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

50. this is a copy of my original OP and why i call it a semi annual thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=121457&mesg_id=121457

[Toasterlad]

3. I'd Say You're Preaching To the Choir, But the Civil Union Cockroaches Have Been Swarming Lately.

No matter how much you stamp, you can never squash them all.

On Edit: case in point, post #2. :eyes:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

8. poster is deliberately misinterpreting what i wrote. i always love that.

:hi:

[Toasterlad]

12. Our Helpful "Allies". Always Ready to Correct Us and Co-Opt the Argument.

Thank Darwin that for every one of them there's a genuine ally who gets what the fight for equality is really about.

:hi:

[SacredCow]

17. Spot on.

There are, literally, hundreds if not thousands of other examples you could have provided links for.

It's abundantly clear that the "fight to save the sanctity of marriage" is a freakin' joke. It's nothing but a battle cry to whip the Christian homophobes into a frenzy. They would be doing the exact same thing if the fight were for civil unions, or whatever one would propose to term a recognized relationship between to homosexuals.

K&R

[La Lioness Priyanka]

22. Oh look. the gay people in this thread get what i mean, and are not trying to obscure

it with their own weird interpretations

fancy that

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. Oh look. the gay people in this thread get what i mean, and are not trying to obscure

it with their own weird interpretations

fancy that

[sandnsea]

32. Hey, if you don't want civil unions

I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to do away with them. Is that what you're saying?

[Toasterlad]

35. Look! Over There! Two Men Going Into The Same Bathroom!

You'd better go put a stop to it! I think you've contributed enough crazy to this thread already!

[ThomCat]

115. Why are you haunting LGBT threads causing so much trouble?

:grr:

What the fuck is your problem? You are a seriously obnoxious and twisted person.

[joeybee12]

31. Of course you're right...

...look at how they fought the "everything but marriage" bill in Wash state...they are big fat liars.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

45. thanks!

[mitchtv]

60. let me reiterate

I didn't get that impression that SnS got. I am Gay so I know what you meant. not only are they liars , but bigots also.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

67. i am glad. i was beginning to wonder about my writing skills

[sandnsea]

78. People who support civil unions

are liars and bigots.

How is anybody supposed to interpret YOUR comment any differently than that.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

80. you understand that you are the ONLY one who has interpreted in this manner

no one else has

"How is anybody supposed to interpret YOUR comment any differently than that"

[sandnsea]

81. Post #70

Is he a kook or not.

[mitchtv]

86. yup,, you.re right on that

note. Civil unions for all is a pipe dream

[Toasterlad]

87. Oh, Yes, He's a Kook. But Even HE Didn't Misinterpret the OP.

He is disagreeing with the OP, because he mistakenly and insanely believes that straight religious bigots - the ones who vote in anti-gay ammendments and referendums - would accept their OWN marriages (not just gay people's, but THEIR OWN) being downgraded to civil unions. He is either ludicrously naive or dangerously insane. However, even HE is smart enough to read the OP and not infer that it says that everyone who is happy for (not WITH, FOR) civil unions is a raging homophobe.

[Prism]

61. What in gay hell . . .

I feel like I should be doing shooters on an empty stomach in order to follow this thread. And in a bathroom.

In other words, this thread needs to happen on Friday.

[closeupready]

63. Oh, yeah. Been aware of that for a long time.

+1000

[NMMNG]

69. K&R

Sorry some professional disruptors choose not to get it.

[Roosesvelte]

70. Civil Unions For All Would Pass In Certain States Though

This would allow the religious bigots to define marriage on their own terms, and guarantee rights for everyone. I think we should try this approach the next time.

[Name removed]

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[mitchtv]

84. "Gays killed Marriage!"

I hear it now

[Roosesvelte]

88. Sure, You'd Hear It From Some

Just as you still hear racial epithets thrown around. But the important thing is, equal rights would be part of the law. Let the religious bigots continue to define marriage narrowly according to their beliefs. It won't matter. They do it anyway in defining "sex," "getting saved," etc.

The rights are what matters. Getting the bigots to have a change of heart is a really tough battle that won't be won any time soon.

[Chovexani]

85. hahahahahahahahaha

[La Lioness Priyanka]

89. hi hon! how are you?

:hi:

[Chovexani]

92. I'm good! Been busy!

But still alive. :) :hug:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

93. i know you were job searching at last call. how is that going?

[Chovexani]

94. Still nothing permanent

But I've had a string of decent temp gigs so it hasn't been too bad. Things have been considerably better lately. I'm also looking at going back to school in January. :)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

95. back to school in what?

we need to hang out esp cos you are in brooklyn. soon.

[queerart]

96. Very, Very Nice To See You! (nt)

[QC]

98. Greetings! n/t

[FreeState]

97. Please prove that statement with atleast one link

you are flooding GLBT topics with this talking point - so prove it - where is the poll or study that supports replacing Civil Marriage for ALL with CIvil Unions?

Name one study, one poll that shows this.

[Roosesvelte]

109. You May Have Already Seen This

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1885190,00.html

This article, and others like it, are part of the basis for my feeling this approach would work. What's significant, is that whenever an article like this is published, mentioned in a blog, discussed on Facebook or around the water cooler, etc., some people who vote against "gay marriage" are all for this.

Granted, I've never seen a poll on this, but at the informal "gut check" level, the reactions are significantly different to this concept. I encourage anyone to do your own research and personal polling on the issue.

[FreeState]

114. Thats not a study nor does it back your assertion -

if you want to go about flooding every thread on DU in regards to equality with something you just have a hunch about you might want to find or conduct your own study rather than put the burdon on those of us that have no interest in destroying civil marriage in order to gain civil rights.

[Roosesvelte]

119. If I Could Afford To Conduct A National Poll I Would

I certainly would contribute to help finance one, I feel that strongly about this. I'm not placing the burden on anyone to do anything they don't want, I'm advocating the only approach I know of. I haven't been able to find a single poll that's been conducted like this, or I'd post the results if they backed my conviction or reconsider the approach if it didn't.

I realize there is a certain amount of intransigence on our side, just as much is there is on theirs. History will be on our side, but like any historical fight, there are battles to fight along the way. Victory eventually comes by winning a battle somewhere. Win enough, the other side collapses. Right now we're getting creamed. I say we change the rules of engagement. It's what the other side has been doing the whole time.

[bullwinkle428]

108. Oh yes...I'm sure there will be a STAMPEDE of straight married people

just charging down to the courthouse in order to change their "marriage" into a "civil union"!

:eyes:

[LeftHander]

100. K&R...it is so clear the motivations behind the facade....nt

[PVnRT]

102. I had to log out to see who "Ignored" was

I can't say I'm surprised.

Oh, yeah, you're right, by the way.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

103. you dont need to log out. just click on PRINT format on top

and you can see ignored.

just fyi :hi:

[sui generis]

104. Priya what it boils down to is

that given no other choice we would vote to support civil unions, even though we're purists about equal marriage.

However, in Maine there were some people who claimed to be FOR civil unions who voted against marriage.

That's the difference with a distinction that some people upthread are clueless about.

I really DON'T know that those people are doing here in this forum; they are outwitted, outclassed, and I hereby vote them off the island. And I am unanimous in this.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

105. LOL

love it "I really DON'T know that those people are doing here in this forum; they are outwitted, outclassed, and I hereby vote them off the island. And I am unanimous in this."

[Irishonly]

106. There is nothing wrong about gay marriage

People wanting to get married should be able to do so. It's wrong to deny them. It's just that simple. No one should be trying to dictate how others live. As one of progressive Christians (fundies hate me and accuse me of being a false Christian) I firmly believe that Christ was not bothered by gays and was more concerned about hypocrisy. When the fundie movement started in the 70's all of a sudden the man who stood for peace and love turned into a nitpicking grouch and I don't get it.

I continue to fight for the right to marry.ff I used to think civil unions would be ok until I met you. I have grown and become a better person (I hope) because of what you have taught me. Your patience with straights is mind boggling.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

107. thats very sweet.

thanks for letting the gay community make an impact in your growth as a person

:hug:

[swimboy]

111. I'm gay and I get it.

But that's because I generally understand words and language. Maybe even logic.

What a crazy thread.

Thanks for the OP, lioness. Good to see you.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

118. ...

:loveya:

[Jamastiene]

112. I'm too late to K&R your excellent rant, Pri.

But, after perusing the battle upthread, I have one thing to say:

Ignored sure is a fucking pain in the ass. I'm so glad I don't have to look at their posts any more.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

117. ignored is fucking crazy

[enigmatic]

113. yep

Absolutely correct:thumbsup: