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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:35 AM
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Just Fucking Let People Vent
As usual I am disappointed at DU and DU'ers deal with any loss that pertains to the Gay community or any marginalized group really.

For the love of god, let people vent. When you lose someone there are stages of grief, its no different than when you lose rights. Let us vent before you start deciding that we should have done more, what the broken strategies were, how obama really could have done nothing more, how mainers are wonderful people really, how we should not even try for marriage etc

For fucks sake.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:36 AM
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1. +1
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:37 AM
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2. K&R
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:40 AM
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3. Boo-yah
We just spent Halloween with a gay couple, tricking out their house for the trick-or-treaters and generally having a blast with them.

I'd trust these guys with a marriage license way before I'd trust, say, Heidi and Spencer. Jon and Kate. Todd and Sarah Palin. You get the idea.

:hi:
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:42 AM
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4. Hell yes.
Yes, yes, and yes.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:44 AM
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6. Now that's what a fierce advocate is.
Thanks, Pri. :hug: :thumbsup:
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Jokerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:45 AM
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7. K & R
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TokenQueer Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:49 AM
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8. For real! The DUchebags are out in full force this morning.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:55 AM
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9. We needed to have Emma Lazarus crisscrossing Maine, speechifying: Give me your ignorant, ....
..... your superstitious, the easily led and morally corrupt pressing at the altars of your dying church. Enrage them with lies, and threaten their children. Let Mormons teach decent people how to be racist, sexist, and homophobic. Lie down in a bed full of strangers whose enemy is your enemy, and you are theirs. You morons can win this! You immoral Christians, Muslims, Jews and the inexplicably motivated Atheists amongst you. Bond with the potheads who are turning out to legalize "medical" marijuana, and vote against the rights of American citizens. Oppress or die!
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:01 PM
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10. K & R
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 09:21 AM
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44. the baby's adorable.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:34 AM
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54. thanks, barbtries
he is a future Democrat - his favorite stuffed animal is his donkey :)

Hopefully, by the time he is getting ready to date, the world will be a less hateful place. By then a lot of those ignorant zealots who voted against equal rights will have died off.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:39 PM
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60. he is really so cute
favorite toy the donkey! lol
i do hope this world is a better place for him and for my little ones (grandkids).


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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 03:41 PM
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64. OMG!!! You have very adorable grandkids.
I love kids with freckles. My hubby has them but I can't see any on my son's face. I don't even know at what age freckles first show up in an infant or toddler :)
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:04 PM
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11. amen!
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:19 PM
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12. For True.
I knew I shouldn't have logged on this morning. I fucking KNEW it.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:22 PM
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13. Vent away! You have reason, and my sympathy & support
I remember when Hillary finally conceded, there were so many people telling her supporters to stop crying and get behind Obama that it really turned me off. Even though I was an Obama supporter. People need to grieve properly before they move on, and respecting that is only right and just and decent.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:23 PM
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14. well stated. also, we are a tiny minority. blaming us for this, is bullshit
there is only that much money, time and people we have on our side
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 02:19 PM
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24. Well, you have more than just GLBT people on your side
but I think for most of them, GLBT rights are something that are a "good thing" not an "urgent" thing. As a happily married hetero woman, I have to admit that it isn't the battle I wake up to fight, nor the one I can't sleep for worrying about. Yes, it's something I care about, and support with my money and time (at least, sometimes!) but I know my interest lacks the urgency that it has for GLBT folks. It shouldn't be so - as someone here has noted, rights denied to any one of us affects all of us, if only because it sets a precedent - but it is so.

I don't know how to fix that. I'm not sure it *can* be fixed - I think it's human nature to focus more closely on threats that affect us directly, than on threats that affect us indirectly. All we "allied supporters" can do is recognize that tendency, and work to overcome it.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 02:22 PM
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25. You've always got me on your side
I'll never stop fighting alongside you for the rights you deserve :hug:
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:49 AM
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47. I've been 'venting' (offline) and I'm a heterosexual married person who phonebanked for
NO On 1 and cannot BELIEVE that 30K+ Maine voters think that all their fellow citizens should have access to medical marijuana but NOT to marriage! :mad:

I cried a lot yesterday. How CAN people be so filled with hate? Especially the ones who CLAIM to be 'Christian'??


Please know, I will always be on your side and ready for a fight!
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:22 AM
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51. I appreciate your efforts! thank you!
:hi:
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 03:04 PM
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62. Thank you.
:hug:

I wish more of your fellow Maine voters had the sense to agree with you, and us. :(

A lot of church's pushed against us on this, and pushed their congregations to vote against us. But we are getting a lot of people telling us that we should not judge churches or Christianity for this. Like it or not, they ARE christians. That IS christianity. You are the exception, not the rule.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 03:56 PM
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65. Actually, I'm in VA. I did phone-banking from home thru the Courage Campaign's
'Protect Maine Equality' effort.

I am still sick and ashamed that my own state of VA has discrimination written into our Constitution. And now we have an American Taliban governor, so prospects look bleak here for at least another 4 years. x(

Nonsense like "I'm a Christian therefore _______ (insert hateful, bigoted position here)" is one of the many reasons I left religion behind long ago. I do respect that some people derive comfort and even a truly moral way of being from their faith, but I just can't get past all the evil that has been done in the name of 'God'.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:28 PM
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15. K&R.
:applause:
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:35 PM
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16. The only people to blame are the haters who voted for it.
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 12:35 PM by dgibby
I am truly sorry. This is sad for all of us, straight and GLBT. Anytime one person's rights are denied, we all suffer.

I wish there was something I could say to make you feel better, but other than offering my heartfelt sympathy, I know nothing would suffice.

Hang in there and we'll all keep fighting together. Sooner or later, we'll out number the neanderthals. :hug:
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:45 PM
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17. K & R
I, a heterosexual, GLBTQ-rights advocate, cried all day - the day after Prop. 8 passed. We had fought SO hard against its passage.

I understand the feelings of grief.

Now, it's happened again, and I'm so sad.

Hugs to those who fought against the passage of this monstrosity in Maine.
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Veruca Salt Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:02 PM
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18. Thank you, Priyanka
:cry:
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:23 PM
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19. Nah, that's too hard
All that matters is how this will impact Obama's poll numbers and the prospects for getting some more Blue Dogs elected next year.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:26 PM
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20. who will then give us crappy health care options
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:27 PM
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21. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!
:toast:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:50 PM
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22. I doubt you need my permisison or blessing, but go ahead and vent
it's a crappy situation and I certainly don't have any answers. Just an "I sorry"
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RetiredTrotskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 03:22 PM
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26. K&R
Great post, La Lionesse! It is their families and lives who have been put at risk--AGAIN. So these people need to STFU. There is no excuse for the way we get treated on DU except they can and do.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 04:21 PM
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27. No kidding.
Didn't we get enough of this "blame the victim" crap when Prop 8 passed in CA?
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mikey12561 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 05:26 PM
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28. If you would like to vent?
Hey I can understand what is going on. People should beable to vent about anything. I'm glad that my gay forum is a place for that. If you want you can take a look and possibly join at www.gayvoice.uni.cc
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 07:56 PM
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29. K&R.
:grouphug:
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:29 PM
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30. I 2nd that motion. On edit: I guess that's "I 30th that motion."
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 08:30 PM by patrice
:thumbsup:
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:20 PM
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31. K & R
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:20 PM
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32. Excellent OP.
Thanks.
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swimboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:24 PM
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33. Yes.
Thank you. :hug:
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:48 PM
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34. I have nothing left to vent
I am empty inside. AS IS MY WALLET
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:23 AM
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35. Well said. The STFU Brigade needs to STFU at us. n/t
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 02:22 AM
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36. K & R. Amen, Amen.
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era veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 04:39 AM
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37. Our gay employees were not happy
I feel for the gay community. Marginalization in any form sucks. Peace, Richard
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 05:20 AM
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38. Please forgive my ignorance (I'm out of the country, and have been off line)
what happened?
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 07:39 AM
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41. Gay marriage defeated in Maine. nt.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:17 AM
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50. .........
ongelofelijk
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era veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 07:49 AM
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42. The repeal of same sex marriage in Maine
Tuesday's elections
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undergroundnomore Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 06:04 AM
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39. Agreed
My nephew, who is gay, is heartbroken. Though he doesn't have anyone special in his life, we want to know that when the time comes and he finds his soul mate he can exchange MARRIAGE vows with the man who he will love for a lifetime. That's all. He just wants a fundamental human right and I feel almost powerless in the face of each defeat of such legislation.
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 06:31 AM
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40. Was there a problem?
Yeah, by all means, vent away.

If there was some squelching going on, I'm glad I missed those threads.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 08:25 AM
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43. These are the times where we see people's 'T' as we used to
say. Truth. The actual nature of those posters is there for all to see. Let it stand for them, let them define the politicians they adore with their bigotry and arrogance. Let it stand as witness to the utter amorality of the faith touted by so many of those sniping hypocrites. Let their words be seen, remembered, let their words define them and all that they stand for. Let the joy they take in the suffering of others be a calling card for the wind of karma.
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NikolaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:09 AM
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45. K&R n/t
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:20 AM
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46. We will vent today and continue the fight tomorrow
And the real fight is challenging the majority voting to take away the civil rights of another.

This should not be allowed, and I believe it runs afoul to everything our country stands for.

And we GLBT folk have experienced setbacks before, but we emerge stronger and will continue to make progress.

We will never back down. Never.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:56 AM
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48. You are so right!! I hate it when I am really pissed and someone tries to calm me down.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:09 AM
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49. calms you down, is different from belittling/disparaging you
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:28 AM
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53. Part of the problem is that some people feel the need to fix problems;
and when they can't do that, they want to be able to say "it's not so bad."

Even when it is so bad.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:12 PM
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57. well stated
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:41 AM
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55. You are right. I should have included the word condescending in my description.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:12 PM
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56. yes, there is certainly a difference between a friend telling you, next time i'll fight harder for y
vs. why bother. marriage is stupid anyway.

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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 02:54 PM
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61. ther'e a difference with a "Ally" telling you
It's the Gays' fault. You didn't work hard enough. blah blah blah. that group is already busy.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:26 AM
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52. Civil rights should never be up for a vote. I'm hoping that WA state will make history
this week, and be the first state to ever approve civil partnerships by a vote of the people. But that still leaves it open to being UN-done by a vote.

I saw Angels in America recently, and it reminded me of how far we've come. And yet there is still so far to go. . .
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:40 PM
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58. Big Kick! Too late to rec, but you sure did hit the bullseye here!
Lioness - :yourock: :hi:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:42 PM
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59. Right, as long as you are not angry at the underlying cause...
...of your oppression. After all, we don't ever want to suggest that someone's bronze-age, barbaric belief system is even remotely responsible. :sarcasm:
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TokenQueer Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 07:26 PM
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66. +1
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 03:07 PM
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63. Kick!
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