GLBTers should just be patient because giving you guys rights isn't easy...

[armyowalgreens]

I think everyone is probably tired of the condescending bullshit floating around DU. People seem set on treating the gay community like it's a pet project.

But, really, how fucking hard is it to get some god damn equality? Mention gay rights, and all of a sudden the congressional process is "labyrinthine." People are making ridiculous excuses for our pathetic political pundits.

Here's a little something I drafted that plummeted off GD...

H.R. XXXX "Liberation Act"
Title: To Repeal United States Code, Title 10, Subtitle A, Part II, Chapter 37, § 654 "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.
Sponsor: ________________ Cosponsor(s):__________________

Text:

1. Repeal USC Title 10 § 654 "don't ask, don't tell" policy applying to the United States Armed Forces.

2. Amends, under United States Code chapter 37, that the United States Armed Forces will provide equal protection to all personnel regardless of sexual identity. (Expanded text further defines section 2)




Amendment(s):

1. H. AMDT XXX: Repeal United States Code, Title 1, Chapter 1 § 7
Sponsor: ____________

Text: Amendment repeals DOMA (Defense Of Marriage Act) nullifying the definition of "marriage" as being a legal union between one man and one woman.

2. H. AMDT XXX: Amend to United States Code, Title 1, Chapter 1 "Unity Act"
Sponsor:____________

Text: Amendment defines, under United States Code chapter 1, "marriage" as being a legal union between two or more consenting persons.

I'm certainly not well versed in creating a bill. But I'm pretty sure that could be a legitimate piece of legislation if certain portions were extended and clarified. That took me 30 minutes to research and type up.

I'm not even sure yet if I am a member of the GLBT community. But I am sick and fucking tired of the double standard. Talk about any other progressive issue on DU and everybody turns into Che Guevara. Mention the possibility that Obama and congress might be neglecting the GLBT community and you get torn to shreds.

Fuck the cheerleaders
Fuck the apologists.
Fuck the double standard

And, by the way, fuck the "political capital" argument. The 2008 election is all the political capital the president needs.

:argh:

[NMMNG]

1. Why we even bother any more I don't know

It's obvious all they want out of us is our $$$, our votes and our support. Other than that we're supposed to STFU and fade into the woodwork. Don't rock the boat and certainly don't mention any of that divisive Gay Stuff that will frighten the horses and ruin the Dem's chances of getting whatever they want. Silly Pet Issues and all. Selfish, whiny gay people worried about their personal shit when there are so many more pressing issues at hand, none of which we have to worry about because we're all living the high life.

Bitter? Goddamn right I am.

[donco6]

2. We're the antiabortion wing of the Democratic party.

Just like the Republicans string along the anti-abortion types, milking them of their money and time but giving them nothing in return - GLBT folk are strung along with hints and vague promises.

Only one difference: We have a brain. And that apparently really pisses some people off.

[thunder rising]

3. Are there people that actually do something besides complain that someone else isn't doing something

Where are the whip counts?
This is a policy issue so it will take 60 votes to get through the congress.
What committees in the House and Senate will be given the bill?

Who's on board?
Who's not?
Who will introduce the bill?
who will co-sponsor?
Will Lieberman vote appropriately?

All I ever see is complaints that somebody else is not pushing this for them.

If authors such as this would use Health Care Reform as a model. Somebody needs to play the role of Jane Hamsher and slinkerwink.

"I'm certainly not well versed in creating a bill."
There has been a literal civics course over the last year as we prodded the Congress on HCR.

[armyowalgreens]

5. We ran away with the election. We have the capacity...

Our party is a gathering of invertebrates, wolves in sheep's clothing, and whores.


It's a god damn travesty. And you're in here making excuses for them and mocking people for complaining about gross civil rights violations.

[thunder rising]

6. Sorry more complaining and no action ... who will introduce the bill in the house and senate?

Start simply.

[armyowalgreens]

7. Don't treat me like a fucking child. Capiche?

[thunder rising]

9. Can you get 60 votes in the Senate? Do you understand the implication of a policy bill?

Hell I'm on board, but I cannot speak for the LBGT community.

[armyowalgreens]

10. I understand that we would not get 60 votes.

That is one of the points of my OP that you must have "missed".

"Do you understand the implication of a policy bill?"

Do you? How can we foresee every consequence of such a bill passing?

[thunder rising]

13. The implication that I am talking about is the 60 vote threshold for cloture. But first

find a member in each branch must introduce the bill. Just make phone calls. Find them.

Then find out which committees will be given the pre-view. And HAMMER them.

When it comes out of committee ... hammer Reid and the leadership and get the bill to the floor and at the same time make every member's life miserable.

Last I heard LGBT was pretty much nation wide. So, you have constituents in every state and district.

If there was a counterpart on this issue like Jane Hamsher or slinkerwink (I donated to Jane Hamsher to keep her going) you would see some action.

[thunder rising]

14. Give me some whip counts and I'll join in. But DO something.

[mitchtv]

18. I think the rep is Murphy ,Ohio, I think

The senator would be Gillebrand; NY/ Obama should provide some leadership BTW

[Doc Martin]

21. Patrick Murphy is from PA, Philadelphia area

[mitchtv]

22. there are several murphys around

I get confused

[joeybee12]

19. If you were seriously interested in a conversation, you'd know that

several congressmen and senators have legislation they'd like to introduce, have sponsors, but there are plenty of knee-buckling toads in Congress and the wite House who would rather have this just go away..all that's lacking is spine at this point by the leadership.

Please don't take into account that a lot of people complaining and frustrated were the ones who voted, campaigned and dontaed to obama and to the dems, relying ont rust that they might somehow actually live up to their word, so IMHO, if someone complains about a knife in the back, you certainly have no right to say they're just complaining after A LOT of what people did to get these jokers in office.

But no, you don't want to have a serious discussion, do you?

[Neecy]

4. Did you guys see the AF Lt. Colonel on Maddow tonight?

The guy was so incredible - he was outed, he didn't out himself. He followed all of their rules and they're throwing him out. He's just hoping it'll be slow-walked enough so he can get through the spring, in the hope that the bobbleheads in Congress and the White House do something by then.

His voice shook when he talked about it. This is his career, his life. All I could think of was, my brother, I hope you have people in your life who are embracing you right not because I can't imagine going through something like that alone. I wanted to walk through the tv and hug him.

Fuck political capital. This is fucking with so many lives.

[Zodiak]

8. I do not understand what motivates the people you talk about

As for me, I say we should have done this yesterday.

[paulsby]

11. DADT needs to go. it REALLY pisses me off

it's not JUST that it's morally wrong. it's wrong on an empirical level. it HURTS the military.

i am all for accepting that the military should not be at the forefront of "social experimenting". iow, admittedly there was a time when racially integrating units would have hurt military readiness (because most whites thought blacks to be subhuman). like in the revolutionary war. even though the JUST thing would have been to integrate, from a pragmatic angle, it may not have been. and while we can argue whether or not women should serve in combat, it would have been disastrous in WWI, due to different attitudes about gender roles.

but can ANY proponent of DADT come up with ANY data that shows it HELPS military readiness? some of the best defense forces in the world, IDF for example, allow open gays to serve and they do JUST FINE.

we are throwing away a huge swath of talent, to include ARABIC TRANSLATORS because of who they choose to schtup on their own time. what a bunch of crap.

gays have served honorably in the military for centuries. they should be allowed to do so openly. it's the 21st fucking century!

as an analogy, police are often compared to the military. after all, police are PARAmilitary. we have LOTS of gays (male and female) who are openly gay and serve honorably and i have never heard of any problems in gay-straight relations, or at least none in excess of the normal crap we have in straight-straight relationships.

the military is not a bunch of knuckle dragging neanderthals. they can handle it. i am certain that the VAST majority of warriors want to serve with the most talented and motivated men and women. whom they choose to schtup is not a consideration

[thunder rising]

16. How do I say this politely

I just googled "essay dadt" and guess what comes up.

Don't ask, don't tell -- a 'costly failure'

The award-winning essay by Air Force Col. Om Prakash, calling on leaders to repeal the policy, appears in the current edition of the U.S. military's Joint Force Quarterly magazine. Though circulated among top brass, such as Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen, the essay is a military endorsement of Prakash's views. The entire essay has not been in wide circulation, so dscriber.com is sharing it in full here.

[paulsby]

17. that's a kick-ass essay

i just started reading it . thanks for the link

[jonnyblitz]

12. the condescending bullshit types are what run the show here so

we are really just pissing in the wind having this discussion. if we don't like it we can post elsewhere basically. nobody is forcing us to post here. they told me so in my last mod warning and that is how it is. it's a privately run discussion board so, in the end, there is nothing really to argue.

[NMMNG]

15. You really should re-post this

You know, somewhere those who know just how we should be doing everything (because we're stupid whiny idiots who don't know nothing about nothing) can't come and lecture us about what we're allowed to want and how we're supposed to go about getting it.

[Mari333]

20. reminds me of this quote

I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights.

~Bishop Desmond Tutu

[jesus_of_suburbia]

23. "Fuck the double standard" -- that's the big one for me

Hypocrisy