NYPD: Beating of gay man a possible hate crime

[FreeState]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hX-QtRhnCXbMZOZhs1P1ylWlLECgD9B9KIQG0

NEW YORK — New York City police say a 49-year-old gay man leaving a corner deli near his home was beaten by two men in an apparent hate crime.
Jack Price remains in a medically induced coma. He is in serious but stable condition.

Police say the two suspects taunted Price and yelled anti-gay slurs while he was in the store early Friday. They attacked him outside, not far from his home in the middle-class Queens neighborhood of College Point.

Twenty-six-year-old Daniel Aleman was arrested Sunday and charged with assault and aggravated assault as a hate crime. The name of his attorney was not on record.

A second suspect is being sought. The police department's Hate Crimes Task Force is investigating.

[Laf.La.Dem.]

1. "possible"??

Sad they would have to say - POSSIBLE:grr:

[FreeState]

2. Especially when one was charged already with "charged with assault and aggravated assault as a hate

Especially when one was charged already with "charged with assault and aggravated assault as a hate crime"

Its amazing how much is said via subtle bias in reporting. Something every minority in this country is subjected to unfortunately.

[ThomCat]

8. No matter how obvious the bigotry is, the media has to downplay it

and create doubt.

The media always creates the possibility that that it wasn't really bigotry so people can continue to believe that there is no bigotry. :(

[FreeState]

12. Sounds like a website I know :) n/t

[imdjh]

3. We have to wait to see if he made a sexual advance on the attackers.

Don't we?

[ThomCat]

9. Well, we have to see if they Claim that he did.

x(

That seems to be the automatic defense, doesn't it?

[QC]

4. Doesn't he know that he can always hide his sexuality and thus avoid

hatred and violence?

:sarcasm:

[imdjh]

18. ++++

[donco6]

5. Eh, he was probably getting too uppity.

At least, from posts on this board, that's what one would think. We all just need to tone it down and we'll all be A-OK.

:sarcasm: in case that's really lost on anyone.

[jacko_be]

6. wat is the definition of a hate crime ? what does that means ?

[ThomCat]

10. A hate crime is a crime motivated by bigotry that makes it more than just

a simple crime. It not only harms the individual target, but also terrorizes the entire minority community.

The Ideal example of a hate crime that almost everyone understand is Lynching. Lynchings were not just a murder, they were also a way of instilling fear in the entire black community. Lynchings, like all hate crimes, tell the entire minority community that they are all being targeted because of who they are. The goal of hate crimes (if they succeed in high enough numbers) is to drive the minority community into a passive, fearful position in which they can be denied their rights.

[jacko_be]

13. in order for me to get this straight

I'm withe = just a fact
I'm White and I hit a white guy = it's cool it's not a hate crime
I'm White and I hit a Black guy = it's cool it's not a hate crime
I'm White and I don't like black guy's so i hit him= not cool it's a hate crime
I'm a minority and i hit a other minority dude = it's cool it's not a hate crime
I'm black and I hit a white guy = it's coll it's not a hate crime
I'm black and I don't like white guy's so i hit him = it's cool they are not a minority
you have to admit this does seams strange

I don't want to hit anybody
and I really am not a racist
this is a question

I don't attack americans at any point, not in what they belief
not in how they act. I don't hate America,

Disclaimer
this is not in anyway insulting to americans
this is not an act of aggression to anyone in particular
this may not been taken as an offense to anyone or any minority
and i do know that my spelling is bad

[ThomCat]

14. Geez, not the "reverse racism" bullshit again.

The entire white majority in not going to be terrorized into silence, into passivity, into giving up rights because of fear or violence. This is what DOES happen when hate crimes against minority communities succeed. The entire minority community is silenced and intimidated by fear. The majority community has too much power, and is too large, to be vulnerable to that kind of terror and fear.

Any time a see your argument, claiming that "reverse racism" is the same as racism I know I'm dealing with someone really totally clueless about issues of prejudice and discrimination. :eyes:

[jacko_be]

15. look I didn't know, I just asked and you didn't read my disclaimer

In my knowledge you hit a guy
you get charged for assault
you hit a Guy from a minority
you get charged for racism
that's how we do it


Disclaimer//this is not in anyway insulting to americans //this is not an act of aggression to anyone in particular//this may not been taken as an offense to anyone or any minority//and i do know that my spelling is bad

[Starry Messenger]

16. I think Belgium and the EU have hate crime laws.

http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/discrimination/pages.aspx?id=99
http://euobserver.com/9/23902

[jacko_be]

17. I did know we Had a law against racism (off course) but i never heard off hate crimes

we always call it racism

[FreeState]

20. You got several things wrong

I'm White and I hit a white guy = it's cool it's not a hate crime

Correct thats assault with no hate crime

I'm White and I don't like black guy's so i hit him= not cool it's a hate crime

Correct thats assault with a hate crime, assuming there was observable bias present

I'm a minority and i hit a other minority dude = it's cool it's not a hate crime

Correct, assuming there was no observable bias (minorities of all stripes can have bias against their own) thats assault with no hate crime

I'm black and I hit a white guy = it's coll it's not a hate crime

Correct thats assault with no hate crime

I'm black and I don't like white guy's so i hit him = it's cool they are not a minority

Wrong - that would be assault with a hate crime.

The current laws cover all races (be it black, asian, white etc). The proposed law covers all sexual orientations (gay, straight, bisexual) Everyone is covered equally under the law.

[jacko_be]

24. thank you sir, i will remember it

[DarkTirade]

22. Wow, its almost like you didn't read what he wrote at all

and instead responded to what you expected him to say.

:eyes:

[Smarmie Doofus]

23. This is in fact a bias crime in NYS:

>>>>I'm black and I don't like white guy's so i hit him = it's cool they are not a minority >>>>

To the best of my understanding. And it should be, imo.

[FreeState]

11. What is a Hate Crime?

http://www.matthewshepard.org/site/PageServer?pagename=Erase_Hate_Crimes_What_Is

WHAT IS A HATE CRIME?

Hate crimes affect more than just the individual attacked. All violent crimes are reprehensible. But the damage done by hate crimes cannot be measured solely in terms of physical injury or dollars and cents. Hate crimes rend the fabric of our society and fragment communities because they target a whole group and not just the individual victim. Hate crimes are committed to cause fear to a whole community. A violent hate crime is intended to 'send a message' that an individual and 'their kind' will not be tolerated, many times leaving the victim and others in their group feeling isolated, vulnerable and unprotected.

According to 2004 FBI statistics, hate crimes based on sexual orientation constituted the third highest category reported and made up 15.5 percent of all reported hate crimes. Only race-based and religion-based prejudice crimes were more prevalent than hate crimes based on sexual orientation

[mrbarber]

7. So it took two cowards to beat a man twice their age.

Scum of humanity. When the victim wakes up the deli should deliver him a nice pastrami on rye and chicken soup.

[kenny blankenship]

21. I can't remember a gay bashing incident where the attacker didn't make it a "fair fight "

by having at least another of his friends to help him. It's like they're scared they can't manage it alone.

[FreeState]

19. Update with video of the attack...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6768786&mesg_id=6768786