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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 03:01 PM
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TIME: Why Does Obama Keep Flip-Flopping on Gay Marriage?
Edited on Wed Aug-19-09 03:04 PM by FreeState
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1917344,00.html

On a sunny Saturday last month, I crashed a fancy brunch on New York's Fire Island at the swank beachside home of Daniel Cochran and Greg Sutphin, a wealthy gay couple. They served lovely Bloody Marys and a giant spread of eggs and meats and assorted asparagus dishes prepared by a white-coated chef. The brunch was the 31st to be held in Fire Island's Pines community to raise money for Lambda Legal, the gay movement's litigation arm. At last year's brunch, cheers went up virtually every time Barack Obama's name was uttered. This time, when Lambda executive director Kevin Cathcart began to review the President's record on gay issues, he was greeted with steely silence.


I have noticed this as well. Many young voters and GLBT voters have not even paid attention since the election to realize whats been going on. Its typical unfortunately.

silence — because it came from some of the most generous gay political donors in the country — is key to understanding the confusing position the Obama Administration took this week on whether gays and lesbians should enjoy equal marriage rights.
(See a visual history of the gay-rights movement.)

Try to thread this needle: The President has stated his opposition to marriage equality many times. In fact, during his campaign, he pandered to African-American audiences — a group that was already for him — by inviting a black singer named Donnie McClurkin to perform at his events; McClurkin believes one's sexuality can be changed by praying to Jesus Christ. And yet Obama has also said he opposes Public Law No. 104-199, 110 Statute 2419, a 1996 bill (signed by President Clinton) that anti-gay forces called the Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA. Obama has said several times that he would like that law overturned.

And yet — sorry, the contradictions keep coming — once Obama was elected, and once a gay couple in California had sued to overturn DOMA, his Administration not only defended the law, but defended it in a legal argument so reactionary that it would embarrass Dick Cheney (who, incidentally, is to the left of Obama on marriage). In that argument — here's a PDF courtesy of Georgetown professor Nan Hunter — Obama's lawyers noted that "courts have widely held that certain marriages performed elsewhere need not be given effect, because they conflicted with ... public policy." The examples the Justice Department offered: "marriage of uncle to niece," "marriage of 16-year-old," "marriage of first cousins."

That argument — that two consenting adult men marrying isn't unlike a man marrying his niece — led to the silence at that Fire Island brunch. And as I have pointed out before, Obama loves to raise political donations; he has plainly begun to worry about his standing among the rich homosexuals who used to fawn over him. As the New York Times' Adam Nagourney first reported, the California legal brief was one reason that a prominent gay supporter of Obama's went to the Oval Office in late June to express, for 15 full minutes, the gay community's deep disappointment.

And so this week we get a new legal brief from the Obama Administration in the California case, this one denuded of the execrable incest defense. This time (here's another PDF from Hunter), Obama flip-flops again — now back to his campaign position. (It must be dizzying to work in the White House these days.) Now the Administration says it opposes DOMA and wants it overturned — but that tradition dictates that it defend the law. And that is why, the White House said in a statement, "the Department of Justice has filed a response to a legal challenge to , as it traditionally does when acts of Congress are challenged."
(See a gay-rights timeline.)


Yeah this is the biggest cop-out of them all. There is no need or law that says Obama must defend this law. There are plenty examples of past administrations, of both parties, not defending current law when the administration did not agree with it.

Legalistically speaking, the tradition argument is true, but it's yet another Obama dodge. The Administration could easily decline to defend the anti-gay law on discrimination grounds, just as the Administration of George H.W. Bush declined to defend federal laws setting a preference for awarding broadcast licenses to minority-owned businesses in 1990. The radical firebrand at the Department of Justice who successfully argued against defending those laws? A young DOJ attorney named John Roberts, who is now the Chief Justice of the United States. Clearly, Obama could have refused to defend DOMA if he had really wanted to. Georgetown's Hunter cites other cases in which the Justice Department has declined to defend laws, including one involving a minor cable-TV dispute. As Eugene Volokh of UCLA told me Aug. 18, there is nothing in the constitution or the law that would have prevented the Department of Justice from sitting on the sidelines in the DOMA case.

Nothing except politics. Obama's triangulation between left and right has become excruciatingly obvious on this issue, and he's not quite as deft a politician as Bill Clinton at keeping his left flank at bay. I wouldn't be surprised if, next summer at the 32nd Fire Island Pines fundraiser for Lambda, I hear booing when the President's name is mentioned.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 03:05 PM
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1. K&R
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 03:36 PM
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2. "Booing when the President's name is mentioned" next season?
I don't know, but if the wealthy donors on Fire Island Pines shut their pocketbooks and walk out of the store en masse, the president will realize he'll have to come out with a new product line they'll buy.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 03:39 PM
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3. Could it be that surrounding himself with DLC ers he gets little
input from anyone else.

The Trade Mark of DLC is changing with the wind. They are
Conservative Democrats. DO I NEED to Say MORE????
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 03:40 PM
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4. Could it be that his religious beliefs are bigoted and antiquated?
Need I say more?
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 05:07 PM
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5. Or both. nt
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 05:13 PM
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6. That would be a big part of it.
The awesome god that he claims to serve is apparently not too crazy about us.

Or another way to look at it is that if you must have a religious prejudice against a certain group of people it helps if that religious prejudice is also held by many in one of your core support groups.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:53 PM
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8. I Don't Think Obama HAS Any Religious Beliefs.
I think he hides behind religion like so many other politicians, because he's a cowardly political hack who is, at best, uneasy with gay people.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:07 PM
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9. It's funny, but the only issue his religious views seem connected to is the gay one.
He never drags his alleged faith into discussions of other issues, but when the whole homo thing comes up he suddenly gets all Baptist.



It's strange, isn't it?
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:43 PM
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10. Pretty common, unfortunately
Religion provides about the only justification for discrimination and worse against gays. Even people who don't think about god from one week to the next and haven't set foot inside a church since Easter 1999 aside from a couple of weddings and a funeral or two see nothing strange about falling back on the Bible to justify denying us full equality. I'm told that Jesus didn't think much of hypocrites yet he has millions of them acting in his name and in that of his father. What's a savior to do?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:29 AM
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11. Yeah. I don't think Obama is particularly religious, but he does know that the queers
are not very popular, and Jesus is, so what better way to pander to those two impulses in the electorate than to share their disdain for queers because Jesus told him to.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:51 PM
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7. Um...Because He's a Cowardly Hack?
I should HOPE that a "steely silence" is the most enthusiastic response Obama will get from ANY gay person until he actually DOES something to advance gay people. Anyone who gives money to that coward is an idiotic dupe.

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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:20 AM
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12. let me answer that question in plain english
using little words and small sentences.

Barack Obama does not believe that gays are as American as non-gays.

Oh he believes we should have rights. Some kind of rights, work out the details later. Just not the SAME rights as real Americans.

Because if he did, there wouldn't even be a debate.
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