Prop 8 decision will be released on Tuesday.

[JackBeck]

http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/courts/supreme/#forthcoming

[MineralMan]

1. I wonder if there will be any leaks.

I have my fingers crossed for the right decision.

[closeupready]

3. A favorable ruling would be nice, but please do not get your hopes up.

CA is traditionally quite conservative socially, and again, I predict that this ruling will uphold Prop. 8. This is one time I would like to be pleasantly surprised.

[Oeditpus Rex]

2. Check here for a rally in your area:

http://dayofdecision.wetpaint.com/page/California?t=anon&tr=y&auid=4827311

If you're not in California, scroll down in the window near top left.

[JackBeck]

5. Thanks, buddy!

Priyanka and I are already signed on. They're hoping the turnout will be over 15,000 in NYC! Now that the weather is nicer and were closer to Pride month, they might just get their wish.

[jonnyblitz]

6. I'll probably show up also. I am already in NYC for other reasons

and hopefully will be hanging with Pri and Lisa on monday thru tuesday and attend the rally with them.

[Chovexani]

25. I'm going to be there too!

Hopefully I will see you guys, I went to the last one and didn't manage to.

[jonnyblitz]

28. cool! i am at pri's in brooklyn right now.

if you are around PM me. perhaps we can figure out how to meet. i will meet pri in manhattan around 5...:hi:

[Chovexani]

31. Check your PMs

[EFerrari]

15. I still think we should have had a rally outside of the SF ArchDiocese

since he's the one that quarterbacked this atrocity and in such an underhanded way.

[pinto]

4. Kick.

:hi:

CA Supreme notice of case basics and intent to release ruling -

http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/courts/supreme/SF052609.PDF

[JackBeck]

8. Got any plans for Tuesday, pinto?

We're expecting 15-30 thousand!

:pals: :hi:

[pinto]

17. Hi Jack, sorry to respond so late. I'm going to a gathering here in town.

Whether it will be a celebration or something else remains to be seen, of course. If the court upholds the Proposition, I'm hoping the event will be a rallying effort for greater small city backing on a more effective statewide response.

Hope all is well with you and yours. :hi:

[JackBeck]

21. We are all on pins and needles.

It would be wonderful to see a swell in volunteer efforts, regardless of the outcome.

:pals:

[pinto]

22. Agree.

The requirement for our Supreme Court to release a schedule on a ruling has made their Prop. 8 call headline material. :hi:

[Athelwulf]

7. A thought: Would it be good or bad, in the long run, if Prop 8 is sustained?

Prop 8's passage was a flash point. It awoke and powerfully galvanized its opponents. People marched in protest, in huge numbers, in all corners of the nation, saying to Prop 8's supporters, "You just crossed the line, and we will rectify this!" It has made observers finally start to realize that this is a legitimate and serious issue. And look where we are now, only half a year later. Two states, Vermont and Maine, have legalized same-sex marriage through legislation. New Hampshire is apparently on the way. New York has made movements. And a showdown over the District of Columbia's new law is expected to happen very soon in Congress. Inertia is on our side.

It seems to me that all our recent victories could not have been won, had we not been dealt such a devastating blow. In immediate terms, Prop 8 is a disaster. But in some twisted way, it's also, in the long run, actually turning out to be a good thing. After being constantly used as scapegoats and as objects of derision, after getting punched election after election, we finally decided to stop withdrawing defensively and start punching back.

Call me twisted, call me a masochist, but I'm starting to wonder if we need the California Supreme Court to rule against us. It's hard to predict how people would react to each outcome. But by now, if the court decides to turn a devastating blow into a one-two punch, I think we'll only come out stronger.

[cboy4]

9. If the Supreme Court does the wrong thing, I have a feeling

DU will not be a pleasant place to visit.

[mitchtv]

16. So; it will get bad?

It's so wonderful for Gay folks now

[Djarun]

10. Proposition 8

My partner and I were married in California a week before the Presidential election. We have been together for 10 years(yes we finish each others thoughts)! We live in rural Arizona and lead a normal productive life. We are both worried about the decision from the California Supreme Court. If they decide to over-turn the proposition, fine. But, what happens if they uphold it? Will we still be married? Will we then be "divorced", or will it be "annulled"? If it is annulled will we get a refund for the marriage license or travel expenses from a state that can't even give tax refunds to its own citizens? We are both committed to each other and would like government to be committed to us as well(State, Local, Federal). We would like the benefits of marriage at the Federal level preferably, but if we have to go to the state next door we will.

[dsc]

11. the legal experts are nearly unanimous in that your marriage is likely safe

To use a far different example. Georgia recently raised its age of conscent for marriage after a scandalous marriage between a man and the female teen he impregnated. Their marriage and all other marriages like theirs are still marriages but future marriages like theirs are now banned. Similarly prop 8 will bans gay marriages now and in the future, not retroactively.

[JackBeck]

13. Congratulations on your marriage, Djarun, and welcome to DU!

The National Center for Lesbian Rights, one of the legal organizations arguing that Proposition 8 is illegal, felt that due to the string of hostile questions from some of the Justices, they might rule to let Prop 8 stand, while at the same time let stand the same-sex marriages performed before Prop 8's passage.

As for what will happen to your marriage if it is overturned on Tuesday, we were once in a similar situation. We flew out to San Francisco in 2004 and got married on March 11. By the time we landed back in New York, the Supreme Court had put a stop to all the same-sex marriages. We were among the last of the 4000 couples to be granted a marriage certificate.

On August 12, 2004 the California Supreme Court ruled that our marriage certificate was "invalid". Were we now divorced or annulled in the eyes of the law? Not to our knowledge. The words we kept hearing were "voided" and "invalid".

The week of Thanksgiving we received a letter in the mail telling us that our marriage license would not be recognized by the state of California, and we were eligible for a refund of any of the marriage-related fees that we had paid to the City.

Regardless of what happens, if you haven't already, I encourage you to get active in your local and state politics, and move toward making marriage equality a reality in your own state. When Iowa passed marriage equality at the beginning of April, it reinforced the notion that marriage equality is definitely possible outside of the states more traditionally and historically pro-LGBT.

:hi: :pals:

[sui generis]

29. welcome to DU!

:hi:

Well, if all else fails, get married again. If it's state's rights, then presumably you can legally get married multiple times, just to really fuck with the bigots. You can tell everyone you are FAR more married than they are.

THAT's another consequence of idiotic "states rights".

[cecilfirefox]

12. Let's hope for the best, but I catagorically believe they will not overturn it. nt

[Joe Bacon]

14. After my read of the transcript, I believe Starr will get what he wants.

They just adulated and worshipped him, he demanded that 8 be upheld and all same sex marriages be invalidated. Sadly, I believe they will give him everything. I don't think they will let any same sex marriages stand.

[quiller4]

23. Every legal scholar I've read says that marriages will stand

but that 8 is likely to be upheld.

[Joe Bacon]

26. The Christians and Mormons are threatening the judges.

They threaten to do another Rose Bird on any judge who votes to overturn 8. None of these judges want to be unseated that way. The pressure will force them to accept all of Starr's argument--uphold 8 and invalidate the marriages.

[Mike 03]

18. My best wishes for the decision tomorrow to this community.

I think Prop 8 will be overturned and become an embarrassing footnote in history.

My hope is that by this time tomorrow, the GLBT community will be celebrating in the streets, and that this will echo the defeat of that Prop 6 that was a witchhunt of teachers during Harvey Milk's time in the late 70s in the Bay Area.

We cannot know for sure, but I feel almost 100% sure this decision will make GLBT marriage legal in the state of California, and I'm preparing to celebrate with all of you that justice will be served.

[bluedawg12]

19. We stand united!

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[sui generis]

27. yeah, amid the SCOTUS nomination, the Korea missile tests

and whatever other bullshit diversion can possibly happen today to keep the nearly certain outcome marginalized.

Fasten yer seatbelts folks, it's gonna be an interesting day. . . .

[jonnyblitz]

30. I look forward to seeing you there tonight, jackbeck!

:hug: whichever the outcome.

[JackBeck]

32. I fear a repeat of the Mathew Shepard Funeral March:

http://www.actupny.org/reports/Shepard.html

Only saving grace being Giuliani isn't mayor anymore.