As it turns out , it is religion/age & republicans not race, that is the major factory behind h8

[La Lioness Priyanka]

http://www.letcaliforniaring.org/site/c.ltJTJ6MQIuE/b.4863891/k.35FC/Driving_Factors_of_Prop_8_Vote.htm


WASHINGTON, Jan. 6 — An in-depth analysis of the Proposition 8 vote released today shows that party affiliation, political ideology, frequency of attending worship services and age were the driving forces behind the measure’s passage on Nov. 4. The study finds that after taking into account the effect of church attendance, support for Proposition 8 among African Americans and Latinos was not significantly different than other groups. Through a precinct-by-precinct analysis and review of multiple other sources of data, the study also puts African-American support for Proposition 8 at no more than 59 percent, nowhere close to the 70 percent reported the night of the election. Finally, the study shows how support for marriage equality has grown substantially across almost all California demographic groups — except Republicans.


The study was written by Patrick J. Egan, Ph.D., assistant professor of politics and public policy at New York University, and Kenneth Sherrill, Ph.D., professor of political science at Hunter College, CUNY. Egan and Sherrill reviewed pre- and post-election polls, and precinct-level voting data from five California counties with the highest number of African-American voters. The study was commissioned by the Evelyn & Walter Haas, Jr. Fund in San Francisco.


Party, ideology, church attendance and age drove “yes” vote

[terisan]

1. Your citation says 59% African American support for the proposition . That is

a big majority. Was the proposition supported by African American churches?

[bliss_eternal]

3. African americans practice a variety of religions...

...christian baptist, lutheran, catholic, episcopalian, non-denominational, universalist unitarian, etc. I've known of some black buddhists (like Tina Turner).

So there's no way to say that this proposition was supported (or denounced) by "african american" churches--as there isn't one religion they all practice, nor particular churches labeled as "african american." Though the media likes to make people think african americans are a monolith--they all think, feel, vote, etc. exactly the same. Try to not buy into it.

[terisan]

7. Thanks for the comment but it did not answer my question. I live in a community

and a state where there are many self-proclaimed African American churches.In fact I have attended AME (African Methodist) churches where very strong opinions on sexual choices and the institution of marriage have been delivered from the pulpit. I have also spent a lot of time in cities where there are many self-identified African American churches-New York particularly.

There is definitely a way to say whether a majority or plurality of self-identified African American pastors preached about or otherwise communicated their beliefs on the proposition. I simply do not have that information for California. Perhaps it is different from the east.

[bliss_eternal]

8. I'm well aware of ame churches...

...I'm also aware that there are many other african americans that attend other churches--as well as those that don't attend church at all...(atheists, ever heard of them?) Somehow in these discussions, no one ever considers all those black people that don't even attend church that voted on this issue, or all the churches with predominant populations of hispanics, asians, whites, etc.

FYI, the way the media does it here is they go to ONE AME church, and ask the minister there to speak for all black people in LA. :eyes: As if all the black people in LA attend his church, and as if he can speak for them all if they did. It's ridiculous. Think about it.

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. It's not THAT big a majority - and way less than the 70% reported. nt

[dsc]

11. It is a mere 1% less distant from 50% than from 70%

and that is if their numbers are dead on which I have no earthly idea. I guessed, looking at the data I could find that around 62% or so voted for so I was pretty close if they are right. I would like to see their methodology and numbers before really commenting on their study. I do have some questions since apparently Hispanics voted for it much more than had been reported which I would like to see justified by the data.

[tblue]

2. "except Republicans." Of course. They are always the last to evolve.

[queerart]

4. Hummmmmm......

This all sounds rather like a "Get Over It Study"......


So to be fair, I Googled this mans name..... http://politics.as.nyu.edu/object/PatrickEgan.html


It seems he has many papers that he is working on (including THE PROP 8 STUDY, and I'm not so sure how one might do a full study in a month on the Prop 8 issue)


But anyway...... It seems that Mr. Egan is interested in Queer issues... (maybe he's Queer)... But I found this paper he is doing (which says is under review)


"Explaining the Distinctiveness of Lesbians, Gays, and Bisexuals in American Politics"


http://politics.as.nyu.edu/docs/IO/4819/LGBdistinctiveness.pdf



It appears that all Queers are Liberals......

[Ian David]

6. Maybe the anti-vaccination people have the right idea for the wrong reasons.

What?

WHAT???

[Jamastiene]

9. OMG. You mean all black people don't think just exactly alike?1(elevens)?!??

:sarcasm: <-------the tag is there for those who need it.

Of course, those numbers were skewed. The best way I can describe it is this. Make a pie chart of any race. Decide who is going to vote how and based on what. Divide that pie chart honestly. When you run out of room for lines, get back to me. Because that is what would happen. You would use about 360 lines to truly divide that pie chart and run out of room for lines.

[slackmaster]

10. That makes sense

:hi:

[Deep13]

12. Pointing out why people irrationally hate you is intolerant of their religion.

:sarcasm: :grr: