So, booing Warren would be "tacky"

[mitchtv]

a really bad idea, likely to backfire,might embarass the wrong Person, asinine.(all from a thread in GDP). Sounds like a plan

[Captain Hilts]

1. So's his saying most of my friends are going to hell. nt

[babylonsister]

3. Ugh. And wow. Interesting. nt

[babylonsister]

2. I say 'boo Warren'. Are you going? I am not, but I'd boo him, and

I adore Obama, for the most part. Warren, not so much.

[mitchtv]

4. No I am taking care of aging partner

But I think its cute of strates learning to use "tacky"

[Captain Hilts]

5. I'll be there and I'll be boo'ing him. I think the night before will be a lot of fun...

doing the Nyah Nyah Hey Hey Hey Goodbye routine outside the White House.

[mitchtv]

6. from the sound of many in DU

I hope you are not alone when you do. There is a smoldering dislike for Gays even here, so watch yourself Mookie

[Captain Hilts]

9. Straight, but not narrow!

And I resent the things he says about women, Jews, Catholics, etc. He sure bowled a strike with me.

[Lint Head]

7. When he says bow your head you better check your pockets.

He uses a Christian deity to fill his bank account. He is not a true Christian.
:dem:

[mitchtv]

8. Pharisee; outside appears like a whited sepulcher,

inside full of dead man's bones....

[davidinalameda]

10. great post!

wow; that's some potent imagery

[stray cat]

11. I think booing Obama would be tachy as well but it is part of free speech

so if people don't like him they I guess have the right.

[Prism]

12. So, turn around

Turn your back, wave a flag, bring silence.

Ok, done.

Now, what will you do the day after?

[TEmperorHasNoClothes]

13. I think turning backs to warren would have more of an impact

[Prism]

14. I'm totally good with that (n/t)

[IndianaGreen]

19. TV cameras won't show people turning their backs on Waren. Jeers, OTOH

will show up in the sound, and in YouTube afterwards.

[Meeker Morgan]

15. Must ... not ... be ... TACKY ...

We're homos after all. :mad:

[ronnykmarshall]

16. Call me tacky !!!

[bluedawg12]

17. Having Warren there is tacky. Booing is anti-tacky.

[IndianaGreen]

18. Booing, cat calling, jeering are demonstrations of the popular will

Quite common in British politics!

[bluedawg12]

20. Freedom of expression is a cherished right BUT does not include

hate speech.

Warren = hate speech.
Protest over hate speech = freedom of expression.

"The synonymous term freedom of expression is sometimes used to denote not only freedom of verbal speech but any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression is closely related to, yet distinct from, the concept of freedom of thought or freedom of conscience. In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, such as on "hate speech" -wikipedia

[La Lioness Priyanka]

21. any civil rights protests from the gays these days is tacky. whether its booing warren

or boycotting restaurants.

fucking cowards

[Prism]

22. The restaurant was a little weird

But jeering or turning backs on Warren? Good idea as far as I'm concerned. Obama invited him. We have a right to make known how we feel about it. Go go go.

The restaurant issue was trickier. I thought it was just a touch misdirected. It was bit like a bully beating on you, so you'll go after someone smaller just to feel better about it all.

I dunno. I think we're better.

But, people around here probably are getting a feel for me and figure I'm vaguely Polyanna and all that. I'm all for directed rage, and Warren's invocation qualifies. But the misdirected stuff is winceworthy.

[Lyric]

23. I don't see it that way.

The restaurant owner helped pay the bully to beat on us, because she WANTED us to be beaten-on. She's getting exactly what she deserves.

[Prism]

24. The best analogy I can think of . . .

If there's a colony of ants attacking you, do you throw down on the hill or the individual ants? Slamming down a foot on an individual ant might feel good, but what does it accomplish in the long run? I'd rather go after the hill.

[MNBrewer]

25. well, if I were being attacked by ants

I would run away, and come back with some poison. Knocking down the hill does no good :)

[bluedawg12]

27. The gay community is small in numbers - most effective is the uncertainty of who's next.

Those "little ants" donated a hell of a lot of money against gay civil rights and did a lot of damage to real people and real lives.

[Prism]

28. Of course

I'm just thinking on a strategic level. Think on that restaurant. Was the owner a bigot? Certainly was. And plenty ignorant to boot. But when you had this disproportionate response crashing down upon her, it did appear that she was being bullied by a larger force.

Of course I know, and you know, and we all know the reality. There is a much larger segment of the population against us, and she was but a bit piece. But by going after her especially, I think we ceded things a bit and allowed ourselves to seem bullying and not so much underdogish as we actually are. Some might say "Good!" But I don't think so. I think we should marshal our work towards the ringleaders of this circus - not the dancing bears.

I admit, I kind of felt sorry for the owner. Bigot though she undoubtedly is, there was this kind of ignorance about her that I think could've been dealt with another way. You don't have to destroy someone's livelihood to make them see sense. I think she could've been handled - by her gay employees if by no one else. But no, we went eight levels of overboard, just because we could, towards a target that, in the scheme of things, isn't anywhere near where we need to be. At the end of the day, what did we accomplish?

I simply feel it was misdirected at best, a total waste of resources and kind of unneccesarily cruel at worse. Your mileage may vary, of course. I just wonder if this couldn't have been dealt with another way that didn't end in joblessness for some people who had no say in it.

[MNBrewer]

31. How can not going to a particular restaurant be called a "waste of resources"?

[bluedawg12]

32. Unpredictability is what made it effective.

I admit "I kind of felt sorry for" the people who were legally married in California, took out "family insurance plans," started adoption proceedings for their partner's child, changed home owner titles and those people are damaged greatly beyond any reason or cause, because some right wing groups and Churches decided to take away their existing human-civil-rights.

That was unnecessarily cruel.

She chose to quit the family business, that was a business decision on her part. No one forced her to leave.
She calculated money lost versus standing behind her bigotry. She chose money.

If she really believed in her bigotry when it was "secret" then, she should have stood behind her donation instead of a faux swan song, a media campaign, martyrdom, she can get her job back any time I venture - it's a family business and sounds like her leaving it was a media stunt to show "how oppressive gays are."

Your sympathy for this bigot and your rationalization of her motives is coming into clearer focus.

[Jamastiene]

29. Anybody who knows anything about ants knows just tearing down the hill

will only cause them to move a few feet over and come back twice as strong and twice as pissed off.

[Zuiderelle]

38. Best way of getting rid of ants is to take the tops off two different ant hills...

with shovels and plop them down on the opposite hill. Best to use two people and do it very quickly.

Then let them fight it out. I wonder if there's a way to do that with bigoted restaurant owners. Hmm...

[bluedawg12]

26. The restaurant was appropriate, it sent a message to donors

Besides that was the Mor*on tactic, to keep their finger prints off their hate activism, they encourage their members to donate individually.

This donor was part of the family that owned the business.

A business that relied partly on gay clientele.

The best tactic is to boycott large and small donors, it keeps them guessing as to who's next.

It also sends a message, that you can't hide behind small donations, as they all add up to a substanital amount.

Oddly, some of the media portrayed a peaceful protest as a riot, due to that owners press crusade/juncket and her rubbing the salt in the wound and playing the martyr.

[mitchtv]

30. No one has a right to my Gay $$

No one. Play the game , you takes your chances. all fair

[bluedawg12]

33. Bleeding hearts for bigots is the new/old theme song.

The facts show that the strategy worked and the bigots were "outed."

No gay $$$ for bigots.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

35. no one has a right to my money. if you donate against my interest you should be able to pay the

price

its not weird to exercise restraint about where you spend you money

[closeupready]

34. Tough shit. That's the way it goes.

If people don't like it, I don't give a shit. Calling me 'tacky' is hardly going to stop me from exercising my First Amendment rights, as Rick Warren is so quick to make reference to.

[Orsino]

37. And it's not too late for Warren to withdraw...

...citing whatever reasons he wants.

[Deep13]

36. Having a con artist talk about his gay-hating invisible friend is apparently not tacky.

I guess we are blaming the victim again. :-(

[Iggo]

39. Boo the fuck out of him.

Tacky my ass. What the fuck...

[sui generis]

40. but booing David Duke would be okay. Obama ignant.

And his mindless supporters are ignanter.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

41. At what point in the Ceremonies

is the invocation?

I don't remember the procedure because, well Bush I didn't watch. Does the Inauguration begin with the swearing in and then the parade, will there be a walk/parade?

I ask because I am turning off the TV during the invocation. I do not want to miss anything after that but don't want Warren showing up on my TV before I'm prepared. I am very upset about this choice by President Obama - (elect). My reasons are many and varied.

I do believe the amount of negative energy regarding this invocation, especially on that day is not beneficial for what I hope to be the beginning of the Healing. For me, it's best not to watch.