So if Prop 8 hatemongers....

[SHRED]

...are successful in voiding the 18,000 or so gay marriages that have occurred legally in CA, wouldn't the couples have a right to sue for not only the marriage license fee they paid but also the cost of their wedding?


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[Steven_D]

1. I don't think that

they have a legal leg to stand on. Let's hope so anyway.

[mitchtv]

3. We purchased that license in good Faith

I'll want a refund , not the wedding but the license. had the wedding in'77

[sui generis]

2. there is no upside. Plus the cost of the wedding . . .

is not really related to the act of marriage. You can pay for a wedding and have a wedding so long as you don't try to pretend it's binding or affords any of the rights of marriage.

No, if we want to really DO something about it, we claim the rights of marriage and be prepared to go to jail.

We break the law, civilly, and with all the gravitas of consciencious civil disobedience. Let them start rounding up the gays and jailing us for daring to claim the rights of marriage and see what happens. If we're not willing to fight for real, then nobody is going to pay tickets to see the show. We will not, however be viewed as victims if we stand up for ourselves, no matter what happens to us.

[keepCAblue]

4. If they do,,,here is a modest proposal re: class action lawsuit

Class Action Lawsuits:

Party A and Party B, on behalf of themselves and all others similarly situated (plaintiffs) v. County of __________, CA (defendants)

Party A and Party B, on behalf of themselves and all others similarly situated (plaintiffs) v. The official proponents of Proposition 8 and their campaign committee, ProtectMarriage.com - Yes on 8 (defendants)

Class Action Lawsuit #1:

Party A and Party B, on behalf of themselves and all others similarly situated (plaintiffs) v. County of _____________, CA (defendants)

Refund of the below applicable fees paid to the County of ___________, CA for securing the contract of their marriage:

--Standard Marriage License ($79)
--Confidential Marriage License ($10)
--Marriage Ceremony ($80)
--Credible Witness Fee ($10)
--Witness Fee ($10
--Certified Copy of Confidential Marriage Certificate ($13)
--One-day Marriage Commission ($80)
--Chapel Usage Fee (@ $40 per 10 mins)
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Class Action Lawsuit #2:

Party A and Party B, on behalf of themselves and all others similarly situated (plaintiffs) v. The official proponents of Proposition 8 and their campaign committee, ProtectMarriage.com - Yes on 8 (defendants)

To be filed against the defendant(s) in the event of a favorable ruling re: the CA Supreme Court brief which seeks to invalidate all same-sex marriages performed in California (estimated: 18,000). Plaintiffs suing for monetary losses and the pain and suffering resulting from early and involuntary termination of the contract of their marriage, est. {Month, date,} 2008 in the County of _______, CA. Plaintiffs seek the following damages:

--Unrecoverable costs associated with the marriage ceremony.
--Legal fees associated with the dissolution of their marriage.
--Administrative costs to notify friends, relatives, and associates of the change in legal status of their union (mailings, postage, telephone services, etc.)
--Loss of property in the return of wedding gifts
--Pain and suffering resulting from the involuntary termination of their marriage and the subsequent emotional, psychological and social trauma suffered by the plaintiffs and their family.

Invite all California county governments to join in lawsuit #2, or to file a parallel suit against the defendants to recover the following:

--Any and all fees refunded to plaintiffs in lawsuit #1
--All costs related to researching and identifying the parties of same-sex marriages performed within the county from June 17, 2008 through November 4, 2008
--All costs required to legally notify parties of the nullification of their same-sex marriages.


Financial Analysis:

Lawsuit #1:

Cost to the county governments of California: $ 2,700,000.00*

*(Conservative) estimate of refunds due each plaintiff: $150.00 times the estimated number of plaintiffs: 18,000

Lawsuit #2:

Estimate of damages awarded to each plaintiff: $108,000,000*

*(Conservative) estimate of damages due each plaintiff: $6,000 times the estimated number of plaintiffs: 18,000


--Unrecoverable costs associated with the marriage ceremony: $3,000
--Legal fees associated with the dissolution of their marriage: $750
--Administrative costs to notify friends, relatives, and associates of the change in legal status of their union (mailings, postage, telephone services, etc.): $250
--Loss of property in the return of wedding gifts: $2,000

Award for Pain and Suffering: $18,000,000,000

Amount sought by each plaintiff: $1,000,000 times estimated number of plaintiffs: 18,000

Judgment against in Defendant(s), ProtectMarriage.com - Yes on 8: $18,108,000,000 ($18.108 Billion), to be paid to the parties of class action lawsuit #2

[NMMNG]

5. Probably not the cost of the wedding

But the license, considering there was a "breach of contract"...

You figure roughly $50/license multiplied by 18,000 licenses equals at least $900,000 (let's just round it up to an even million). But hey, what's that to a state economy that's already in the toilet? :rofl: :sarcasm: