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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 08:14 PM
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Can we stop calling it "education reform"?
How an issue is framed is often crucial to its ultimate disposition. Who in their right mind, after all, can object to education "reform". But calling what Duncan, Obama and Jonathan Alter want to do to public ed , "reform" is like Bush and the Crew calling the carnage they created in 2002 " Operation Iraqi Freedom". People eventually will get wise but in the meantime the evildoers will do a lot of damage.

Anyway... "privatization" ( as an alternative term) is OK by me, since, while it's use is not *scrupulously* fair to those on the other side who claim not to be hostile to public ed ( but motivated instead by a desire to expand options for consumers), it pretty much captures the ideological essence of the "reform" movement: There can be no significant improvement without the involvement of educational... ahem... "entrepreneurs".

I was going to critique Jonathan Alter's latest column skewering teachers but I stumbled across this on the net and like it better than what I was going to say.

(BTW: did I mention that Alter, like Obama, Duncan, Rhee et al, went to *private* school. That is: before becoming experts on *public* school? And like the rest of the crew' he's never taught school?)

Enjoy. Can't wait to get back to class tomorrow so I can put my head down on the desk and sleep all day.








http://teacherscount.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/does-jonathan-alter-read-newsweek/
Does Jonathan Alter Read Newsweek?
I don’t know where to start on Newsweek commentator Jonathan Alter’s education. He is clearly an at risk journalist.
Had he read Anna Quindlen’s column in the same issue of Newseek, he would have learned what happens to successful teachers brave enough to try and truly educate. Had he read about Edison Schools, he would have learned about what happens when one tries to impose a cookie cutter system in education on a nationwide basis, a lesson on why national standards are a bad idea. Had he read “Students Observed to be on Task Less as Class Size Increases he would never have discounted class size as a meaningful improvement. Had he read about “How Performance Pay Studies Show Few Achievement Gains” he would not be recommending performance based pay. Had Jonathan Alter read “NAEP Gap Continuing For Charters” he would be reluctant to anoint Charter Schools as a superior system of education.
Jonathan Alter has not read much about education. As columnist who was once a student, but who does not teach in either elementary or high school, whether it be a suburban, rural, or urban, Jonathan Alter is an expert. Like most experts who don’t teach, he doesn’t recognize his ignorance.

Jonathan Alter has demonstrated he doesn’t know much about education yet he recommends a Charter School as a national model despite the fact it has only demonstrated success one demographic area, and there with privileges’ public schools do not enjoy. KIPP can remove students at will and they can require parental involvement. In short, KIPP teaches well behaved students with parental involvement. There are no greater indicators for success than the attributes KIPP requires. How does that make them great?

But had Alter read Qundlen’s column last week he would have seen what happens to teachers who act on their own to get parents involved. While Quindlen points out the problems associated with bureaucracy, Alter calls for more of it. Had Alter read “Changing The Odds” or just about anything on reducing the achievement gap he would have known the most important item in reducing the achievement gap is high quality early education.

By far my favorite Alter comment is when he quotes Andy Stern, head of the SEIU: “Education is like any business. You need a return on an investment.” My God, have these people not studied the history of what led to failure in our education system? Had Stern read the Rand Report on the school competitive model he would have known competition has no significant impact on education. It was exactly those words, “Return on Investment,” that endeared us to stop educating citizens and start educating employees, that is when we started building factory schools, that is when we combined school districts, forced busing, and disempowered parents. That is when class size increased and of course lawyers and politicians jumped in establishing everyone’s right to an education and suing when one’s right infringed on another’s right. Fear of lawsuits are the biggest impediment to creating meaningful (not physical) discipline in our schools. Fear of law suits are the dynamic preventing our schools from being safe. Fear of law suits are the number one reason we cannot create ideal learning environments in our schools.

Like Alter, many who are not familiar with education profess they know how to fix education. Truly to fix education we need to get business out, get the lawyers out, get the government out, and let educators establish rules and methodology schools will be run by. It is only fair if we want to hold teachers accountable that teachers have a say in the system. Currently teachers are being held accountable for failed policies designed and implemented by “education experts.” You wouldn’t let a bad Doctor operate on you twice, why let these experts design our education system again? Alter’s article, “Obama’s No-Brainer on Education,” demonstrates that like Alter, many of these experts are indeed no-brainers on education.

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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 08:30 PM
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1. I can't stand Jonathan Alter -
He jumped the shark a long time ago - and a BIG K&R - thank you. Without a robust public education system in this country, we will cease to live in a "democracy", or whatever slim pickings are left.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 03:07 PM
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16. jon went to phillips academy for rich boys, but he thinks the peons should go to
walmart hs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillips_Academy


hey jon, how about reforming public ed to the standards of phillips?
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 08:42 PM
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2. Make no mistake middle class parents---the country is about to destroy your kids education.
Its coming. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 08:54 PM
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3. Maybe we could call it - Failing to educate our children compared to the rest of the world
we are doing it so well we might as well continue the status quo.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 08:56 PM
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4. I haven't heard of a "cookie cutter approach" being used.
The current system is fatally broken and competition is precisely what is needed to fix it. (read all before flaming)

I don't know whether the approach they are proposing will work or not, but I'm willing to see some drastic measures taken and I'm willing to give them a chance to try what they have in mind. Playing dueling experts is pointless since they are in the position of making the decisions.

The competition I endorse, however would be the same type most other countries use - limit support for higher education to those who can EARN it. Right now, IMO, the root of the broken system at all levels is the ability of money to essentially purchase a slot at our best schools. The *able* poor performers in the primary and secondary schools usually have little to no knowledge of how to go about getting a college education. What I propose is that the goal should be simple - if you can do better on a limited series of tests you get a slot at the best universities in the nation. NO slots should be allocated based on financial ability to pay or not.

At present the competition for those slots is limited to the upper middle and upper economic classes. That needs to change so that people from lower economic strata have a stake in good performance during the preparatory phase occurring precollege.

Those who do not pass the tests would be able to pursue whatever private education they wish or, with government support, go on to a 2 year college or job training program.

It isn't perfect and there are lots of criticisms to be offered, but I think that if we can address the issue of hope and fairness, the rest will fall into line.

Of course the part of the idea that is totally unrealistic is that we have no existing network of such universities. If I were king, I'd try to make it a program that is built around our best state universities that undergo some sort of nationalization process.

I know it isn't practical, but lacking a change of this nature, I don't see much hope of making things better; so the argument you are focused on loses it meaning for me.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:43 PM
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6. Herein lies the rub:
Those who do not pass the tests would be able to pursue whatever private education they wish or, with government support, go on to a 2 year college or job training program.


Already NCLB is setting kids up to fail those tests, so who is going to be able to pass? The drastic measure that should be taken first is wiping NCLB off the books and let each individual school districts work within their own parameters for success - every year since NCLB implementation, more and more schools are failing to make the AYP standards ... are all of the students bad? Are all of the teachers inept? The program is, imho, designed to set up the public school system for failure, just so that a path to privatization is opened for those who wish to profit from it.
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kaylynwright Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 10:24 PM
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7. who pays?
Edited on Tue Nov-17-09 10:25 PM by kaylynwright
"NO slots should be allocated based on financial ability to pay or not."

Who pays for those who can't afford the top universities? The school? The government? Tax payers?
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 10:27 PM
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8. Testing isn't a measure of shit
I suggest you discuss an area which you know something about.

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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 07:20 AM
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11. I'm not much of a lflamethrower, but....
>>>At present the competition for those slots is limited to the upper middle and upper economic classes. That needs to change so that people from lower economic strata have a stake in good performance during the preparatory phase occurring precollege.>>>>

this is an assumption you make that needs backing up.

OK, let's put aside dueling experts; what I see around me is this: public schools.... as they *are*... work pretty well for kids in middle ( not necessarily "upper-middle"; we'll have to decide where the $$$ cutoff is there) class burghs north of the NYC who use those public schools ( eg. Pleasantville, Rye, Eastchester, Pelham, Hastings, Mamamroneck, Ardsley... I'll leave out Scarsdale, Bronxville and the like because that's where big money is ; even though most families with real money go private and there are lots of "middle class families there as well).

All said suburban public schools have tenured, unionized faculty with lock-step pay scales... yada yada yada, everything that Duncan et al say is the heart of the problem. No one in these towns... at least no one that I ever heard of... wants to radically change the way teachers are hired and retained, or NOT retained. To the contrary, the big complaint.... at the elementary level ... from parents anyway is..... too much test prep.

Schools in NYC proper... just to the south... however which are demographically working class and working poor ( again we'd have to agree on a cutoff$$ to define these terms) seem to be where the dissatisfaction ( at least the *reformers* dissatisfaction) lies.

Someone would have to explain to me how ....if "rigid" union-imposed work rules, and the like, are the heart of the problem .... the suburbs are aok and the city is a disaster. Same "rigid work rules" exist both locales.

That's for starters. Sorry for the rush job . Gotta run. There's teaching that doesn't need to be done.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 09:22 AM
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14. More than 90% of our kids were accepted to 4 year colleges.
We are 70% hispanic, 63% free/reduced. You don't speak for all schools, but your rules would.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 03:03 PM
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15. pfft.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:23 PM
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5. I've become very leery of anything this administration and Congress refer to as "reform"
Edited on Tue Nov-17-09 09:26 PM by dflprincess
Credit card, health care or education... I think the word has become code for "We're going screw you and there's nothing you can do about it."

And let's not ignore the "Entitlement Reform" being discussed for Social Security and Medicare as discussed in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7030049#7030099
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 10:28 PM
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9. Obama's a neoliberal
and a neoliberal is BAD, BAD, BAD news.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 02:16 AM
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10. "Reform" is neoconspeak for "destroy".
Bu**sh**/Cheney demonstrated this ad nauseum.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 07:55 AM
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12. All great points.
This quote can be shouted continuously until people start getting it:

"ike most experts who don’t teach, he doesn’t recognize his ignorance."
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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 08:13 AM
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13. I love that quote.
Except the word "experts" should always be quarantined by quotation marks—at least for anyone claiming to be an expert who hasn't spent a single day of their cushy, entitled lives teaching.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 09:21 AM
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17. I was thinking about that just yesterday.
How many people think they know more about how to do my job than I do, though they've never done it.
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