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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 08:34 AM
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Kurt Warner is the best QB in football today??
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/01/21/chff/index.html?bcnn=yes

Kurt Warner did more than lift the historically dysfunctional Cardinals franchise into its first Super Bowl on Sunday. He also lifted himself past the Chosen One, Peyton Manning, to right behind Tom Brady on the list of the best quarterbacks in the NFL today.

His performance against Philly in the NFC title game was classic big-game Warner, the type we've rarely seen out of Manning in the playoffs. The Eagles entered the NFC title game with one of the league's best defenses: they ranked fourth in scoring (289 points allowed) and fifth in defensive passer rating (72.9).

It didn't matter.

Warner torched this stingy unit, completing 21 of 28 passes (75 percent) for 279 yards, 9.96 yards per attempt, four touchdowns, no interceptions and a 145.7 passer rating.

It was a nearly perfect statistical game. In fact, over the course of the game, Warner jumped past Joe Montana and into second place on the all-time postseason passer rating list: Warner now boasts a 97.3 postseason passer rating; Montana, 95.6. Only the great Bart Starr was better in the playoffs (104.8).

That's not to say Warner is a better quarterback than Montana. He's not. Montana did it over more games and was nearly flawless in four Super Bowl victories. But it does tell us that Warner's performances over his unusual 11-year NFL career have been nothing less than historic in their nature.

It also tells us that Warner is better than Manning.

..snip

Hmm.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 09:09 AM
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1. he's streaky.
In this post season he's been very good. But he had some REALLY bad games during the regular season. The Thanksgiving night game agaisnt the Eagles comes to mind..and the thumping by the Jets.
He's no Joe Montana, thats for sure.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 09:22 AM
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2. "Better?" "Best?" How about "more successful"...
Too many intangibles to consider in post season football, IMO -- game plan, coaching, team personnel, opponent strength, health, etc.

Has Warner been "more successful" than Manning? If measured by stats and winning percentage, it appears so.

Enough with the "better" comparisons. They're too vague. And a discussion that can never be settled.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:27 AM
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6. I guess it's just a statistical analysis of their Playoff games.
How does that comment go.. "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics!"

Warner has had three great playoff runs, and that's it. Montana did it every year and didn't need to rack up the stats that Warner has.

BTW, this is a "discussion" forum, which is why I posted this!
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 12:15 PM
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8. It is, which is why I have issues with the article...
particularly how stats alone are used in defining who is "best." I think it's shallow, misleading and inconclusive.

Apologies if my post is not keeping in the spirit of your intention.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 09:56 AM
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3. I think if we
are discussing great quarterbacks in the NFL today, Drew Brees has to be considered in the conversation.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:37 PM
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12. Drew Brees? He's had about as much success as Tony Romo.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:47 AM
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17. Oh
I think Brees has been much more successful then Romo, its just that he can't play defense. Who would you take between the two? And shake those stars out of your eyes. Romo is good for grocery store tabloid trash, Brees is good for the offense and good for the community.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 10:18 AM
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4. He has great poise. nt
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:23 AM
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5. this must be rule #47 of NFL reporting
We must debate whether the guy who had a great day last Sunday is actually one of the best ever.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:47 AM
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7. Maybe the best still playing this season.
:)
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 01:52 PM
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9. Rothlesberger??
:shrug:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:23 PM
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10. I have to admit, for a single game I'd take Warner over Ben right now.
Long term, I'd far rather have him over Warner though.
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:30 PM
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11. Me too
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 02:42 PM
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18. he's one or two concussions away from being merrell hodge..
i'll pass, thanks.
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:51 PM
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13. Idiot sportswriters, always so quick to throw around the superlatives.
He's been good - very good. The best? Come on.

A far more interesting question is whether, if Kurt Warner retires after (just to make the argument more interesting) losing the Super Bowl, is he a Hall of Famer? I say yes.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:22 PM
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14. Well, if he wins this super bowl, it would secure a first ballot selection to the hall.
Either way, with three super bowl appearance and at least one victory, he should qualify.
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:25 PM
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15. That, and his association with the "Greatest Show on Turf".
One of the great offenses in the history of the game. That counts, too.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:42 PM
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16. As a QB, anytime you have more than one trip to the super bowl,
you are almost always assured of a trip to canton.

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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 02:55 PM
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19. Craig Morton
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 02:57 PM by trumad
Jim Plunkett
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 03:58 PM
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20. I said "almost" cboy!
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 03:58 PM by madinmaryland
:hide:
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:07 AM
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21. I'm not going to have to add you to Cboy's multi-personality catalog
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 09:07 AM by trumad
am I?

;-)
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 03:57 PM
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22. Oops. Sorry about that,
Upton!

:hide:

:wtf: is it with all those sn's??

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