What is the Big Ten equivalent of Gatorade??

[BOSSHOG]

I concede that it has been firmly established at DU that the only thing Big Ten football teams have going for them is the weather. (not my contention, just well founded logic of big ten fans who post here.) Ya know, SEC teams couldn't beat Big Ten teams because of snow blizzards; an assertion made without any factual data, just a lot of huffing and puffing and blowing. Based on that argument, one might wonder if Big Ten fans are republicans. Back in the 60's rocket scientists in Florida came up with Gatorade to assist an SEC football team combat the effects of WEATHER where they plied their trade. What is the Big Ten equivalent? Tea and crumpets?

You put turds in the punch bowl, I will stir them.

[Condem]

1. We'll never know , will we, BOSS.

You fuckers just shiver at the thought of playing in the cold. Never happen unless a playoff system comes about. You're coaches talk a good game but I guarantee they don't want it. Unless they get fucked. Then they want it. Now, that's a true Republican. Just like the SEC. What one democratic state? Arkansas?

[Jack from Charlotte]

2. It wasn't rocket scientists that invented Gatorade.....

at U. of Florida it was kidney doctors. Robert Cade, the head guy was a Renal specialist. One of his Grad assistants asked him why he could go hours without peeing when he exercised. Cade started studying hydration in athletes and searched for a liquid that would be absorbed quicker than water.

Don't know if Dr. Cade cared how sticky the stuff is when it's poured over a coaches head.

The royalties on Gatorade have brought in something in excess of a Billion dollars for U of Florida.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

3. How much of the billions was distributed to "student" athletes?

:shrug:

[Jack from Charlotte]

18. None to the athletes side of the student-atheletes........

All the Gatorade, as well as all other licensed grants and revenues go to the academic side.

The Athletic department is completely self funded, and pays millions of it's excess each year to the academic side. It's one of the few Athletic departments that run a surplus.

[SteveM]

4. My youngest brother played with the Cade kids, growing up in G'ville (nt)

[Jack from Charlotte]

25. Robert Cade just died last year, I think. (NFM)

*

[cobalt1999]

5. Lately, it's this...

[trumad]

6. The Unversity of Florida also invented the tooth brush...

Otherwise it would be known as the teeth brush.

Gator fan

[cboy4]

7. It's not exactly toasty in Knoxville.

:bounce:

[1gobluedem]

8. This argument will go on forever

Until an SEC team comes north and plays in northern conditions; driving winds, snow, and sub-zero temperatures.

We get it; we get that southern and western teams do better in bowl games lately. We also get that their travel to bowl games is not extensive, their seasons go longer, and they don't have to adjust for major weather changes during their seasons.

They've been winning, we get that. We know the Big Ten has a lousy bowl record.

But, again, until an SEC team or a team from another southern or western conference comes up here and plays in late November or December in frigid conditions we won't know how they will perform. I'd like to see it, I really, really would.

[cobalt1999]

10. Like the Big Ten plays in sub-zero temps.

That's pure B.S.

Here are the game day temps for Michigan's home games this year...

86, 77, 70, 59, 75, 50, & 46 BRRRRR! Don't believe it? Look it up yourself www.wunderground.com History for Ann Arbor, MI.


The Big Ten plays from August to mid November and are done before the sub-zero temps arrive. Each Big Ten team plays maybe one or two games each year in cold weather.

And this quote is hilarious...

"But, again, until an SEC team or a team from another southern or western conference comes up here and plays in late November or December in frigid conditions we won't know how they will perform. I'd like to see it, I really, really would."

I'd really, really like to see a Big Ten team play in late November or December in frigid conditions too. It's never happened because the Big Ten packs in their season by mid November.

Face it, the Big Ten plays 90% of their games in balmy weather too. It's hardly the damn "Ice Bowl" for every game like some delusional fans like to make it out to be.

[1gobluedem]

12. You can't base it on one season

I have sat in some pretty horrific conditions in that stadium. My senior year, it was in the twenties with a -10 windchill during the Ohio State game. I've seen 50 mph winds whistle through there and horizontal snow blowing into everyone's faces. I've sat through games with cold, driving rain and sleet pouring onto players and fans alike. It can be pretty damn uncomfortable.

Furthermore, nobody has EVER said that the Big Ten plays all of their games in frigid temperatures. What we have said and what I have said is that northern conferences experience greater climate swings than their southern and western counterparts and have to adjust their schemes for it.

I think every BCS conference should end their season on the same weekend. If that means extending the Big Ten season, I don't have problem with it. But, I swear, sometimes I think people who post on this forum won't be satisfied with any kind of discussion on this until we Big Ten fans say we suck and are dropping football immediately.

Sheesh. :crazy:

[cobalt1999]

14. It's just that the weather excuse is so lame.

You say not to base it on one year, fine. The temp for the ENDING weekend of football (when the weather should be the worst) in Ann Arbor the last 6 years was: 48, 37, 44, 55, 34, 51. Yes, there have been some really cold game in the Big Ten, but they are the exception vs. the rule.

Weather effects southern teams too. I've sat through tropical storm conditions during SEC games too. Wind above 50mph and raining so hard you can't see and water 6 inches deep at your ankles because it can't run down the stadium fast enough.

You don't think this causes a team to adjust their schemes as much as cold weather?



Bottom line: the weather excuse not only rings hollow, it sounds pathetic.

Team strength and conference strength is cyclical.

With a bunch of new coaches and QB's, this wasn't a strong year for the SEC either. HOWEVER, we'd be ashamed of someone who blamed having to play in extreme weather for a weaker than normal year.

[1gobluedem]

15. I'm not blaming weather for a poor season

I am saying that we do not know how SEC teams would perform in a cold weather situation because they never have to play in them.

Yes, I know about tropical rains and winds. Those are not consistent year to year, though, and dropping temperatures are. A team that consistently plays in the 90s in August/September and the 40s/30s in November/December will not play the same kind of football.

But, when has the SEC been tested in a cold-weather game? THAT is my question. How do we know how they would do until they play? Answer: we don't.

[cobalt1999]

20. But you are blaming weather for the kind of football the Big Ten is playing

As for the tropical rains & wind, they are as common down south in the fall as those blizzards in the Big Ten. To quote you "...are not consistent year to year", and nether are the infamous Big Ten Ice Bowls.

The weather records prove that 95% of Big Ten games are in warm weather. The occasional extreme weather exception is no more common for your teams than the occasional weather exception are for the teams down south.

Only thing is, no one in the SEC is whining that they don't know how the Big Ten would play in a monsoon down here. You know why? Because the SEC fans are grasping at irrelevant scenarios.

[Jack from Charlotte]

17. The weather in late November in Meat-chicken is not very cold....

Why don't you come to the table with some facts........

The Ohio v Mich game is played the Saturday before Thanksgiving. That was Nov. 22nd in '08. What's the average Temp in Mich or Columbus on that date?

BRING some facts.... before bitching.......please.

I'm guessing the average temp in Mich is in the...... 50's........on that day. BRRRR. Think Florida or Okie or Texas or FSU can't play in the 50's? I recently read a weather study Minn just did before deciding to leave the current indoor arena in order to build a new on campus outdoor arena. Average weather on the Nov games was quite mild with very, very low chance of snow or ice.

So use The Google. Try the internets and bring us the average weather for all those sub zero snowy, windy Nov. days that Mich plays in.

Otherwise, quit bitching.

[jakefrep]

9. Hell, the Big 10 rarely plays in snowy conditions

The Big 10 season is over before Thanksgiving. And Minnesota plays (albeit not for much longer) in a DOME, for crying out loud.

Face it, the Big 10 is weak at the moment.

[Capt. America]

11. I'll give the devil his due...

As a Buckeye fan and a fan of the Big 10, I could spout off statistics about my team (7 National Championships, 7 Heisman winners, 125 All-Americans, 800+ wins, etc.) or about my conference (oldest conference in the nation, 26-24 vs. SEC in last 50 bowl match ups, we have our own television network, the winningest program in all of college football, most BCS appearances of any conference, etc.) but I won't because EVERYBODY can throw out statistics. Instead, I will accept right up front that college football is about fans having a good time with competition between schools/states/regions/conferences and bragging rights (see also: Tressel owning Michigan; never gets old). I wholeheartedly agree with this, and let it be known that I can give the devil his due, I am not a douchbag fan. So here it is:

The SEC is a great conference. The Big 12 is a great conference (deeper than the SEC this year). The PAC-10, ACC, Big East, etc., are all great conferences. However, obviously, the balance of power shifts through these conferences and teams. I will agree with the fans on this board, the Big-10 did not show up this year in the bowl games (Iowa excluded, with Northwestern and OSU giving a good games). I will one-up the Big 10 haters and go a step further than just the scoreboards; the Big 10 needs to get better quarterbacks, be willing to spend money to get better coaches, and not run such vanilla offenses.

Going a step further, I love Senator Tressel, but he has to come to terms with the fact he cannot use the same 2002 tactics (defense, field position, and clock management) in these big games any longer. He needs to open up the playbook. Some of the play calling in the Fiesta Bowl (and other big games lately) made no sense. He opened it up a little bit under Troy Smith, but he has since reverted to his conservative ways. Also, it is clear to me that he is not preparing his teams for his opponents in the big games. He clearly has to take responsibility for the USC fiasco. He has too much talent on this team to have had such a crappy showing. USC may possibly be the best team in the nation, but they read your defenses like a book and you didn't score a touchdown against them (at least Penn State scored 28 on them). Maybe he needs some new coordinators (boy, I miss Dantonio as the defensive coordinator).

[hughee99]

16. I think one thing that bothers people about the big 10

is that their mid-level teams sometimes get ranked higher than they deserve. This has a domino effect, when good big 10 teams beat them, because their rankings are inflated because they beat a Top 25 team. Penn St., Ohio St. and Michigan St. all had good teams this year, but how the hell did Minnesota, Northwestern and Wisconsin crack the top 25 this year?

After Minnesota beat Northern Ill., Bowling Green, Montana St., Florida Atlantic, Indiana, Illinois, and Purdue (and lost to Ohio St.), they found themselves on November 1st ranked 17th in the country. They beat 3 of the 4 worst teams in the big 10, the 4th place team in the MAC WEST, the 2nd place team in the MAC EAST, the 3rd place team in the Big Sky, the 3rd place team in the Sun Belt, and they're 17th in the nation?

[BOSSHOG]

19. I think there is no doubt

the Ohio State game was Colt McCoy's toughest game of the year. The Buckeye defense was relentless for most of the game. Besides Utah, I believe the best bowl performance this year may have been put on by Mississippi.

[Condem]

21. You're class, BOSS.

Nothing but. And I mean that.

[Cush]

13. Crystal Pepsi?

[LisaM]

22. The normal temperature in Michigan in November

is between 31 and 48. Average temperature in Minnesota (they are moving outside next year) in November is 34, in Madison, it's 35.


I've definitely sat in the Big House with snow blowing around, everyone wearing eskimo hats.

I am all for starting the season a little later. I'm tired of hearing, every year, of one or two players dying from heat exhaustion during practice. I say, start and end one week later.

There's nothing better than a game with a little mud and snow. It's fun! I think 1goblue's point is, you need to build your team a little differently when you're going to be playing in blustery conditions - it's not going to be a passing exhibition. That's why I laugh watching southern teams play in the rain. It's a punt fest.

[LisaM]

23. Beer.

We don't need no fancy sports drinks.

[Jack from Charlotte]

24. The University of Florida does like... "that fancy sports drink."

And do you know why? Not to drink, necessarily. They like it for the one BILLION dollars it has provided for it's endowment since the mid 60's.