OK. Who should play Ohio State?

[El Supremo]

Forget the BCS.

[rep the dems]

1. It's all about the Gators!

Go Florida!

[BOSSHOG]

2. NOTRE DAME

Who could possibly be more deserving then the media darlings from south bend? They've only lost two games and their quarterback is the greatest player in the universe. And they should be preseason ranked number one right now for next year just in case they have to deal with a loss or two next year and contend with all this BCS nonsense.

[El Supremo]

3. Yeah sure, You are being sarcastic, right? n/m

[BOSSHOG]

6. Not at all

In fact I think that only Notre Dame football games should be televised because thats the only team the Americans want to watch; right? Actually they should be crowned national champs right now and the whole universe should bow down to the greatness that is Irish football.

Actually I think they are annually overrated buffoons who depend on their overratings and their alleged attractiveness to bowls; which I believe only exists in the minds of New York TV Executives. I'm Catholic but their is no mystique in Notre Dame for me. If I want to cheer for a Catholic School with class give me Villanova anyday.

[El Supremo]

7. Question...

What do Billy Graham and Notre Dame have in common?

[BOSSHOG]

11. Got me stumped El Supremo

I have a alot more respect for Billy Graham then I do for Notre Dame Athletics, but that doesn't answer your question huh?

[El Supremo]

12. Ready?

They are the only ones who can have a whole football stadium crowd shout "Jesus Christ!"

[BOSSHOG]

13. There was a lot of profanity

and taking the Lord's name in vain tonight in my house. I'm a Razorback fan. Awesome game if you didn't care who won.

[RoyGBiv]

4. Boise State?

Awww, hell no.

[rep the dems]

5. By the way, when will we know who it is?

I know it's sometime tomorrow, but around what time are we talking?

[El Supremo]

8. Afternoon. After the regular polls come out.

[El Supremo]

9. 35,000+ say Michigan

http://post.polls.yahoo.com/quiz/quizresults.php

[Scurrilous]

10. Most Florida fans are too busy celebrating...

...to participate in online polls.

[Counciltucky]

14. Gotta go with the Big Ten re-match.

I may be biased, going to a Big Ten school and all (Iowa), but at the same time, Michigan only lost by a mere 3 points. They showed that they can seriously compete with OSU. I'm not sure if Florida could. Nothing against Arkansas, but if Florida was relatively kept in check by Arkansas, the Gators don't stand much of a chance against OSU.

[Jawja]

17. I may be biased as well,

as I am an SEC fan (not a Gator fan), but a Big Ten re-match for a what is supposed to be a NATIONAL title game that disregards worthy opponents who are Conference Champions outside of the Big Ten will be further proof that the BCS is total crap.

Michigan had their shot at Ohio State a few weeks ago and lost. Ohio State should be challenged with a champion outside of the Big Ten for the BCS mythical "national championship."

By the way, I would feel the same way about a rematch of SEC teams for a "national championship." This is a very poor substitute for a college Division 1A football championship tournament.

[Counciltucky]

18. I understand the point...

I just don't know if there is any other team that's better than Michigan, though (aside from OSU, of course). My argument would likely be different if OSU handily beat the Wolverines, but they didn't. In this case, the Wolverines' only loss was by three points to the top-ranked team in the nation.

It needs to be #1 vs. #2, and if both of them are from the same conference, so be it. It's an unusuality, and one that most likely won't be duplicated for several years, but it seems to be the case this year.

That's not to take anything away from Florida -- they're obviously a hell of a team -- I just don't think they're of the same caliber as Michigan in this case.

[Jawja]

21. Keep in mind that

"Number One" and "Number Two" are VOTED into those rankings. The BCS is influenced by those polls. That's why the BCS is crap.

Michigan, even though they are voted #2, lost to their conference championship to Ohio State. They should not "advance" into the national championship game.

[Counciltucky]

22. Conferences are somewhat unbalanced in nature, though.

Some years, some conferences will have seven quality teams; some years, some conferences may only have a couple. I think that the conference aspect can be easily over-rated. I don't think that one conference should have two representatives in the championship unless both teams are absolutely capable. In this rare case -- possibly the first time ever -- both teams are fully capable.

If Michigan had been beaten more handily, I'd have been right with you in advocating for Florida. In this case, though, the game was so close and the teams so evenly matched that a rematch can be justified.

[LisaM]

42. Did you object to rematches

when Florida and Florida State played each other in Bowl games twice in the 1990s? As I recall, they played three times one of those years.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

15. McNeese State!

[Counciltucky]

19. Oh come on...

Louisiana Tech is CLEARLY the better choice. :rofl:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

35. Can we just agree on Austin Peah?

:)

[Awsi Dooger]

16. I think it will be Michigan

Give me the lead and force the other side to run me down. That's my philosophy, whether it's horse racing or political polls or the BCS or anything else.

Remember that crap from 2004, that John Kerry was a late closer? Well, that where the Florida Gators are now. Dependent on a flurry of mind changing, literally overnight.

I don't like their chances. It wasn't exactly a nail biter. Michigan led Florida by 63 points in one human poll and 40 in the other. The computers are absolutely irrelevant at this stage. Whoever wins the human polls gets the BCS #2 slot.

Michigan has led Florida basically as season in the human polls. Why is that supposed to chance now? To listen to Corso and Holtz,etc. it's because voters will suddenly alter their stance because of a reluctance to stage a rematch. That doesn't ring true to me at all. It would be the equivalent of all those voters admitting their ranking for months had been in err.

Florida no doubt had a tiny percentage of second place votes last week, and only one team ahead of them lost.

I'll conclude by conceding I'm anti-Gator and a championship game between Florida and Ohio St isn't my first choice. In fact, if you asked me before the season, it would absolutely be my last choice.

But I'd thrill for the Gators to miss out by maybe 1/100 of a point and whine about it for decades.

[PistolSteve]

20. Who really thinks Michigan ISN'T the second best team?

They lost by 3 points in "the shoe" - and they would have won without that terrible helmet-to-helmet call. If the game had been in week one, there wouldn't even be a discussion, but Michigan is getting punished for losing their last game.

If the goal is to put the top two teams in the country against each other - then it should be Michigan v Ohio. Florida lost to AUBURN by, what, 10 points?

Let them play on a neutral field. And PLEASE don't use the argument that if you can't win your conference you shouldn't play in the title game. That's a terrible argument on two levels - first, if you lose the conference to the #1 team in the country you sure as hell can be #2. second, if Ohio and Michigan hadn't played each other but each had one loss (Michigan's outside the conference), that wouldn't make Michigan instantly the better team.

[rep the dems]

23. Florida would have only lost by 4.

On the last play they tried to lateral for a TD and Auburn ended up taking it back for a game ending TD. That was our only loss and if you look at who both teams had to play, Florida clearly had the tougher schedule. I know, Michigan had to play OSU, but the fact that they did and lost proved they are not the best. It's only fair that the Gators get their chance. If they do and get destroyed, then I'll concede that we were not the best team.

[PistolSteve]

24. It's not about "DESERVING A CHANCE"...

It's about who is the best. Boise could make the same argument.

Almost no one disputes Michigan is #2 in the country as far as ability and would crush Florida.

[rep the dems]

25. Just like how USC would "crush" UCLA right?

If it is as you say about who is the best, then it does have to do with deserving a chance because Michigan had theirs and proved they are NOT the best. We'll never know for sure whether they could beat Florida or not, since they never played each other.

[rep the dems]

26. I just want to say the votes are in, and Florida won.

:D

[LSdemocrat]

27. Must have had Katherine Harris counting the votes for that to happen!

:hide:

[Counciltucky]

28. And the Supreme Court is 5-4 Gators fans...

:rofl:

[PDittie]

29. More commenters than poll voters

Interesting. Doesn't DU want to DU this poll?

I voted Florida, although I think Michigan is the better of the two to be fodder for OSU. It just seems wrong for OSU to be required to beat MI twice to win the national championship. The Wolverines had their chance; now it's somebody else's turn.

[1gobluedem]

30. Michigan does NOT control the BCS!

I keep hearing "Michigan had their chance" like Michigan is whining for a rematch which just is NOT true. I live in Ann Arbor where there would be the best chance of that and there isn't any.

BUT...the BCS is supposed to put the #1 and #2 team against each other. Period. NO PLACE does it say "if the two teams are in the same conference and one loses to the other by a very slim margin, then the losing team has had its chance and is out of the championship game even if they're #2." If it were reversed and Ohio State had lost, shouldn't they get the rematch after being #1 all season until their last game?

Also, if they're going to use this system, all teams should play on the same dates. When one team's season ended two weeks ago, the most recently-played game will be fresher in poll voters' minds.

In the NCAA basketball tourney should teams who have played each other in the regular season or who are in the same conference NOT play each other in the tournament?

The BCS is a flawed system, absolutely. Clearly nobody envisioned the scenario that the two top teams would be from the same conference and have already played each other. But, OH!, I wish people would quit saying "Michigan had their chance." That game was for the conference championship, not the BCS championship.

[PDittie]

31. They still lost.

They may be the 2nd best team in the nation, but they don't deserve a second shot at OSU to win the title.

[1gobluedem]

32. Why?

Florida won a designated conference title game to get into the BCS championship. Michigan was not given that opportunity because the Big Ten doesn't play a conference title game.

Suppose Florida won the SEC regular season, went through undefeated, but then gets upset by lesser-ranked Florida State in the championship game. Who gets the shot at OSU? The regular-season SEC conference winner or the championship game upset winner?

Taking conferences out of it, Michigan lost by 3 points to the #1 team in the nation, on the road. Florida lost to a lesser-ranked team. Who is the #2 team in the country?

Yes, Michigan had their shot and played very, very well. They are being punished for being in the same conference as the #1 team. There just isn't any other way to look at it. The BCS is a very flawed system.

[PDittie]

33. Agreed all around.

Well, mostly. Michigan still doesn't get to play for the national championship because it would be more unfair (cue louder whining) to ask OSU to defeat MI twice for the title.

I think that's why FL is #2 this morning. I could be mistaken, of course.

[1gobluedem]

34. Michigan *isn't* whining

I don't even think Michigan wants a rematch. Lloyd Carr and the athletic department have said nothing (unlike Urban Meyer who lobbied hard for this). This is about justice and having the BCS system work the way it was intended.

[PistolSteve]

36. No... Lloyd Carr has class, Meyer is a dirty prick

If anyone thinks the #1 team beating the #2 team by 3 points at HOME means anything other than a statistical tie (meaning the game is as close to a tie as they get) then they are crazy. Most sports writers believe there is a 3-5 point advantage at home (fan noise, morale, field familiarity, jet lag, etc...).

Urban Meyer lost a LOT of respect by making ridiculous comments and lobbying for the spot. Carr didn't lobby because he believes (and rightly so) that getting into the championship game shouldn't be about how hard you lobby.

[rep the dems]

38. Yeah, I'm sure the whole reason Florida got into the BCS was

because of Meyer's lobbying. The man has every right to say why he thinks his team deserves to be in. Is he supposed to say, "No, I really don't think we deserve it?" I guess I'd have to be considered crazy, because I really believe that if you are the best team out there, then you can win anywhere. Yes it was close, and they played well, but they came up short. I think the Michigan players themselves would admit that.

[PDittie]

39. self-delete

:)

[PDittie]

40. Here's a toon that suits your description:

[PistolSteve]

37. That sentence sums up the ignorance...

"They may be the 2nd best team in the nation, but they don't deserve a second shot at OSU to win the title."

It isn't about a 'second shot'. The game is to decide who is the best in the country - so you put #1 and #2 against eachother... EVEN IF THEY ALREADY PLAYED. Losing by three at an away game proves NOTHING.

[PDittie]

41. Emphasis on the 'may'

It's less fair to ask OSU to beat Michigan twice. And apparently the majority agrees with that sentiment, in the poll here and those with a BCS vote.

It's not that I don't empathize with your whining.

Thirty-three people changed their votes yesterday based on a somewhat mediocre win for Florida and the Wolvies being idle. Where is the fairness in that?

Michigan fans have every right to feel slighted. If Michigan would have ended up as the #2 team then Florida would have been justified in feeling like they got the short end of the stick. It's mind-boggling that the answer in this one NCAA sport is NOT to have a playoff. I can't understand how the powers that be don't see the excitement and dollars of something like March Madness and the College World Series and envision the same thing for college football.

The old guard still invested in the bowl system clings to the status quo.

[LisaM]

43. I knew Michigan would get jobbed. I didn't even watch the show.

Why bother? It was set in stone. Old OSU guy Urban Meyer lobbied against Michigan, Tressel didn't vote (typical Tressel BS), and what did you expect? Just because Michigan's ONLY loss was by three points to the number one ranked team? Apparently that is of no consequence.