The Pittsburgh Steelers Are the 2005-06 NFL Champions

[Yavin4]

They will easily crush the Seahawks. Bet the house, your kid's college fund, your 401K. Whatever, they will beat the Seahawks and the spread.

[opiate69]

1. Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!

Sure..

[timber84]

2. HERE WE go....Steelers Here we go

[northzax]

3. what is the spread?

since we're betting

[Awsi Dooger]

5. Steelers are favored by 4

It was 3.5 but the early money is on Pittsburgh so it climbed to -4.

The over/under is between 47 and 48.

Don't ask me. I've been 50/50 on Super Bowls recently. It was much easier ($) during that decade when the NFC dominated.

[northzax]

6. I think I'd take the Seahawks are +4

and an under on 48. if I had to. Although this is going to be a hell of a good game.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

4. In fantasy world.

The only thing bigger than this bunch of bullshit is Bill Cowher's jaw. :rofl:

CAW!
CAW!
CAW!
CAW!

[friesianrider]

9. Hope you also enjoy CROW...eating it, that is.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

10. An Eagle's fan picking against the Hawks?

42-0 didn't impress ya?

I'll eat crow right after I finish digesting this eagle working it's way through my bowels.

:D

[opiate69]

11. Hey, RiF.. she wasn't impressed bythe hawks

because, of course, the win was due more to the eagles playing like shit than the 'hawks playing really well and forcing the iggles into making bad decisions.:eyes: I think my 8 year old knows more about football than her.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

12. IN Philly!

If you subtract 3 for homefield advantage it was only 39-0!

My personal line is Seahawks -9.

[friesianrider]

14. Yes, you're right.

The Eagles lost that game, Seattle didn't win. Just like Carolina lost their game, just like the Patsies lost their game. For Christ's sake, the Seattle offense could have completely stayed home and the Seahawks STILL would have won that game.

If for no other reason, I'm embarassed *for you* that you cheer for a team with a fundie, Bush-loving freak as your QB.

[opiate69]

15. Stupidest post ever...

"the Seattle offense could have completely stayed home and the Seahawks STILL would have won that game.'

Dear, last I checked the defense was still part of the team. That's why the points they scored counted. :dunce:

Oh.. and, um.. I dare you to find me one football team that isn't crawling with fundy, bush-loving players.. go ahead! just one...

[friesianrider]

16. Making personal attacks...always a sign you have nothing to say!

Doll, just cause someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they "know nothing" about football or are "stupid." You sound like a 3rd grader...am I also a poo-poo head because I tease you and call you on your BS? :rofl:

Oh, and FYI, I can name one football team that isn't "crawling" with fundy, Bush-loving players: the Eagles. :hi:

[opiate69]

17. Unbelievable..

Doll, just cause someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they "know nothing" about football or are "stupid."

If the only evidence of your ignorance was your disagreeing with me, you might have point. But, evidence of your ignorance is all over this group.

[friesianrider]

20. Big surprise...yet more name-calling and still nothing substantive to say

So you don't like me because I disagree with you? Well, shucks, let me go cry a river. :rofl:

Take a number and get in line, sweetheart. I've dealt with more challenging debaters than you on my kindergarten playground, which is apparently where you think you are, given your ever-so-mature comments.

Come on...let's hear 'em. What other 2nd grade attacks do you have? :rofl:

[opiate69]

22. I never "name-called".. I stated a demonstrable fact.

[friesianrider]

23. LOL...right.

[opiate69]

18. fundy eagles

#96 Paul Grasmanis

# Is a member of the Eagles' Bible study group and is active in Ministry Champions For Christ with teammate and close friend Corey Simon. Grasmanis' pastor is Ron Miller in Tallahassee, FL.


" In 2001, CFC spoke of its ministry with the Indianapolis Colts and Philadelphia Eagles as “progressing towards becoming Morning Star church plants.” MSI has planted churches via its NFL ministries in a number of cities, including Jacksonville and Phoenix."
http://www.ministrywatch.com/mw2.1/F_SumRpt.asp?EIN=742588832

Oh, and lest we forget one of the biggest fundy-whack jobs in NFl history, Reggie White. Fanaticism apparently is truly blind, at least in your case.

[friesianrider]

19. So "fundy Eagle(s)" = only ONE Eagle (who prays)

:eyes: Newsflash: just because you pray doesn't make you a Fundie. But, I'll give you ONE Eagles player is a Fundie (and show me where he is on record supporting Bush?). Tell me how that counts as "crawling" with fundie Repugs (your words, not mine, just to remind you: "name me one football team that isn't crawling with fundy, bush-loving players")? So, if I stretch my imagination, the Eagles MIGHT have ONE player that MIGHT be a Fundie. How does that make him a Bush-lover? And even if he is, how does that make the team "crawling with fundy, bush-loveing players"?

Or, are you just spoiling for a fight you know you can't win? :hi:

[opiate69]

21. Good gawd, may I suggest some reading comprehension lessons?

" In 2001, CFC spoke of its ministry with the Indianapolis Colts and Philadelphia Eagles as “progressing towards becoming Morning Star church plants.” MSI has planted churches via its NFL ministries in a number of cities, including Jacksonville and Phoenix."

the operative words being "ministries" and "Eagles". This fundy whack-job group meets regularly with Eagles players ir do you really expect that the two players I referenced sit quietly in the corner praying, while the rest of the team just ignores them?

[friesianrider]

24. So who are the other players? And how does that make them Bush lovers?

You referenced ONE Eagles player who prays (Grasmanis). As for your pitiful attempt to claim Reggie White as a "fundie Eagle", please don't make me snort my iced tea on my new keyboard. Reggie White had not been an Eagle for SEVEN YEARS before he retired, did not even retire as an Eagle, and on top of that, HE'S BEEN DEAD for over a year! He doesn't count, sorry.

And you seriously need to chill with the insults about me and attacks on my intelligence. I don't understand why you're being so rude.

Or, are you just this pleasant all the time? :)

In any event, have fun stomping your feet and pissing at everyone who disagrees with you by yourself - I've got to get to bed. I've got Super Bowl tickets and we're flying out tomorrow afternoon. I'll enjoy the game for you and me both, cheering for the Steelers! Hope you have a great night, opiate :hi:

[opiate69]

25. ONE player??

edited because I need to dial down the invective.

"#96 Paul Grasmanis

# Is a member of the Eagles' Bible study group and is active in Ministry Champions For Christ with teammate and close friend Corey Simon. Grasmanis' pastor is Ron Miller in Tallahassee, FL."
You see, in the english language, the word "group" typically refers to more than one person.
And yes, White "counts" since he started a ministry within the eagles organization which continues to this day
As for the Bush-supporters, you claimed there are none, so the impetus is on you to provide evidence of this claim... I'll be patiently waiting for detailed contribution stats.
Further, if we want to talk about someone being "rude", my sincerest apologies

[kathy14-0]

28. What are you talking about? You only gave ONE Eagles player

Simon isn't an Eagle and Reggie White is dead and didn't even play for the Eagles when he retired many years ago. They certainly didnt play on the team together. It would seem to me that like friesanrider said you are only naming ONE player who plays for the Eagles who considers himself a Christian. I don't understand how that means he is a fundamentalist, or a Bush supporter, like Hasselbeck admits to being.


It seems that it isn't friesanrider with comprehension problems.

[opiate69]

29. So, the Eagles Bible study GROUP is just him?

I must have been absent from english class the day they told us that one person = a group. And, you say Simon isn't an Eagle.. funny, I thought that the use of the word "teammate" implied otherwise.

[kathy14-0]

30. Ummm so who are the other players then

I believe she has asked you a few times now. I understand what group means thanks. But that doesn't name any other players, so who are they since you know so many? And so what if there are other Eagles who pray? just because a player takes part in a bible study doesn't mean are fundamentalists, nor does that make them Bush supporters.

And no Corey Simon is NOT an Eagle. Neither was Reggie White for the last many years before he retired, and he wasn't an Eagle when he retired.

I'm trying to understand how you equate one Eagles player who prays as the Eagles team "crawling" with fundamentalist Bush supporters which is what you said is it not? Having a few players on a team who pray doesn't mean they are crawling with fundie Bush supporters. Even you have to admit that's stretching it a good bit.

You're just not making sense here and I think you know it.

[opiate69]

31. So.. Grasmanis just "prays" and isnt a fundy?

Well, let's have a look at the Ministry he's involved with..

"A controversial organization called “Champions for Christ” is recruiting prominent pro athletes like quarterback Mark Brunell of the Jacksonville Jaguars. The organization now boasts it has 100 NFL, 20 NBA and 10 NHL members. It is also targeting college athletes for recruitment as well.

But what articles about Champions for Christ seem to neglect is its links to “Maranatha Ministries” founded by Bob Weiner. Maranatha was often called a “cult” during the 1980s

Greg Ball and Rice Brooks who co-founded Champions for Christ in 1991, were once both leaders within Maranatha Ministries, which folded in 1989 amidst serious allegations. Former members and families said Maranatha was excessively authoritarian, abusive and controlling.

Maranatha promoted something called “shepherding.” That is, the concept of putting members under the authority of a “spiritual shepherd.” This practice is often discussed in close association with authoritarian forms of “discipleship ”

Bob Weiner and Maranatha are mentioned within the book “The Discipling Dilemma” by Flavil Yeakley, which is a critical analysis of such practices.

An ad hoc committee of Christian scholars produced a report about Maranatha in 1984, which acknowledged that it had “an authoritarian orientation with potential negative consequences.” Five years later the ministry folded. Weiner admitted mistakes, but insisted that “Ninety-nine percent of what we did was right.”

Is any part of Weiner’s admitted 1% of wrongdoing now part of the game plan put together by his former subordinates Ball and Brooks at Champions for Christ? According to Charisma Magazine they have brought their “passion” from Maranatha to their new work. Does that “passion” include any portion of the “shepherding” that sank Maranatha?

Greg Enis running back for the Chicago Bears caused some concern when he chose Greg Feste of Champions for Christ as both his minister and agent. Feste also negotiated endorsement deals for Mark Brunell.

Later Enis fired Feste and said “I think I was taken advantage of.”

According to tax records Feste gave Ball $34,015 in 1995. Was that Ball’s cut from Enis or a tithe?

What is Champions for Christ? A ministry or multi-level marketing scheme that uses the Gospel for profit as well as prayer? Is it simply a spin-off of a former “cult” using “shepherding” tactics to fleece a new flock?

As the group expands its turf amongst professional athletes in America it seems that such critical questions might be answered more fully and in-depth.

It certainly appears that some athletes that have become involved with Champions for Christ are intensely devoted to the organization. Mark Burnell says he plans to be “working full-time” for the group after his football career ends. Houston Texans lineman Tony Boselli said, “I believe God has called me to the full-time ministry when I retire.”

But who would Boselli be serving, God or Mr. Ball and his cohorts at Champions for Christ?"
http://www.cultnews.com/index.php/category/maranathaministries/

The rest of your points are simply laughable.

[kathy14-0]

32. I never disputed Grasmanis was Christian

And like I said if you want to call him a fundie then ok. But how does that one player make the team "crawling with fundie Bush supporters" - - - your words. At least Grasmanis doesn't flaunt his Bush love like Hasselbeck does. But hey if you want to go on and on and lodge your head up his ass and excuse it because one Eagles player prays, by all means go right ahead.

And you might check the Colts roster. Corey Simon is not an Eagle. It's fairly simple. Just google "Indianapolis Colts" and look for roster. Then scroll down to Corey Simon. That means he plays for the Colts, not the Eagles. You can do the same thing for Reggie White. He isn't an Eagle either. But I do notice you've backed off that absurd claim, because it's all you can find. In the last 10 years, only three Eagles players who prayed. GASP!!

You're just making yourself look silly to try and suggest that because one Eagles player prays that that means the team is "crawling" with fundie/Bush supporters. But keep embarassing yourself, the only thing simply laughable is you and you trying desperately to make a case when there just isn't one.

[opiate69]

33. Again.. and please try to follow...it's not a difficult concept

"Group" = many people... ergo, an Eagles Prayer group = many eagles. QED.

[kathy14-0]

34. Thanks. So who are they?

And, how does that make them Bush supporters? Simple question, simple answer. By the way how'd your Seahawks do in that big game today?

[opiate69]

26. And have a great time in Detroit!

[theHandpuppet]

36. Hey, no one beats our backup QB for fundieness!

This sums it all up for me. From The Nation:

His Mysterious Ways

Many athletes these days publicly thank God, Jesus or the Virgin Mary for enabling them to win the Super Bowl or whatever. But Jon (Sherlock) Kitna, quarterback of the Cincinnati Bengals, gave thanks for his team's 2-14 season, saying it was all part of God's plan: "For whatever reason right now, this is what's best for us." Meanwhile, the Bengals hired a new coach.

:7

[friesianrider]

13. Are you really patting yourself on the back for beating the Eagles?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

7. Really?

Care to make a cyber bet on that? :)

[kanrok]

8. The Steelers Suck

Really. Who cares is Bettis wins a Super Bowl? GO SEAHAWKS!!!

[LiberalVoice]

27. Truest words ever spoken on DU

And thats saying something!

[JVS]

35. The Steelers did win and they did beat the spread.

Your clarity of vision on this game was impressive.

[erpowers]

37. Congrats To Steelers Fans

Congrats to the Steelers Fans. I am happy for the Steelers and I was hoping that they won the game. However, the news referred to the Steelers as a blue collar team. I am sorry, but I do not see any football team as a blue collar team. Most of the people on the team if not all of them make $1 million or more. Even the owners cannot own a team without having sizable amounts of money.

Once again congrats to the Steeler Fans. The game was pretty good.

[Yavin4]

38. bump!

Looks like I was right.