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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 11:12 AM
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Poll question: Worst major league sports commissioner
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 11:53 AM
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1. After that trade veto last night, David Stern has jumped to front of the pack
such a crap move.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 02:23 PM
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3. +CP3
He stuck it to New Orleans like no one since Heckuvajob Brownie. :grr:
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 12:07 PM
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2. Only Goodell completely altered the way the sport is played
I've studied stats for more than 25 years. Nothing changed appreciably in football until Tutu Goodell's era. Now I've had to throw out trends that worked as far back as I evaluated them, 1978. It's become a pantyhose wimp league, with Steve Young saying on ESPN that the position of safety is almost unplayable. This season there were 34 games of 300+ yards passing after 3 weeks. The previous high was 21.

Unless you look at numbers I don't think it's as glaring as it should be. The media certainly doesn't emphasize it enough. When teams like Green Bay and New England go on these long stretches of scoring 30+ in virtually every game, it's unprecedented and demonstrates what a street ball farce the sport has become. Any Given Sunday is a long gone myth, with an untouchable premier quarterback worth more than ever. Running backs have so little value the best ones drop to late first round and few teams are willing to invest at that point. Yet Atlanta is willing to give up a ton to move up and draft receiver Julio Jones.
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wilt the stilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 02:44 PM
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4. For Years I have said it was Selig
but Stern has elevated himself to a new level. I will never forgive him for the Hoory/Nash incident that cost Phoenix the championship but last night is something even I can't believe
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 03:27 PM
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5. Nash flopped
:evilgrin:
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wilt the stilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 03:37 PM
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6. it was the fact that he suspended the two players for Phoenix
and Horry picked him up and threw him into the scorer's table
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 04:50 PM
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8. Horry bumped him
and he pulled a soccer move and threw up his hands, threw himself backwards.

The two players left the bench. the rule is clear, you can't leave the bench during an altercation or you get suspended. If they had any self control, they would have been fine.

As for Phoenix's winning the title that year, it's not even clear they'd have won the series. Note that no D'Antoni team has ever actually done well in the playoffs, where defense is king.
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wilt the stilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 10:12 PM
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13. you are right up there with Stern
First I saw the play it was dirty. secondly when you are in a game you protect your own. I doubt you ever played sports.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 10:55 PM
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14. You're both a bit off base.
Horry was trying for a foul, but it did not appear that he was trying to make a hard foul. It appeared that he was tired, and timed his contact wrong. Further, Nash did play it up.

Now, can we cut the "you're David Stern" crap?

Seriously, that's one ridiculous claim.
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wilt the stilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 11:11 PM
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16. he stuck to the rules are rules part
have some context to the foul. They took 2 steps on the court and went back. It wasn't like they got into a fight.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 01:55 AM
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17. doubt it all you want
Edited on Sat Dec-10-11 02:06 AM by lazarus
I wasn't very good, but I played a lot of sports. I did learn that most athletes are entitled assholes, though.

And they weren't in the game, they were on the bench. Rules are rules, as you admit downthread. You apparently think the rules don't apply in certain cases.

It also didn't cost Phoenix the series. It wasn't a one game series, it was a seven game series. They had plenty of chances to win.

IMO, Horry's being suspended for two games was overkill. It was just a hard foul that wouldn't even have drawn a technical if Nash wasn't so good at flopping.

Finally, as I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, what was Stern's motive to slant things San Antonio's way? Did he think a high scoring team wouldn't draw the amazing ratings the Spurs were known to draw? Do I need to add a sarcasm smiley here?
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 03:46 PM
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7. Stern has always been a crook.
The incident with SA sealed it.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 04:50 PM
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9. The NBA clearly had a reason to rig things for San Antonio
After all, who would want to watch high scoring games? The Spurs pulled such great ratings in the Finals, after all.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 09:17 PM
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10. Selig is a douche!
Former lead of the Brewers, took part time for commisioner and is now commissioner. Stupid idea of his for having all star game decide home field advantage for world series. Put in motion current playoff fiasco, to make it more intersting. Next is adding more teams, with a 1 game playoff to decide playof spots
ALL he cares about is $$$$$$. The more games the more $$$$$.

Take all the money, divide it evenly between the teams, small, middle and large venues. THEN see sho has the best famr system without having to BUY people to win them games.
THIS would also STOP the INSANE contracts offered to men who play a game they love for $$$$$.
WHile hes at it STOP the stupid AL DH rule as well. IT only allows men to use half of their talent LONGER thereby earning HIGHER $$$$$ once more.

$$$$$ will soon ruin this game.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 09:45 PM
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11. Selig is a douche but not for those reasons - especially the DH.
1) He ignored the PHD scandal for years. All the records are now fucked.
2) I agree that the contacts are out of hand and the revenue sharing is also done wrong. But I also blame Tom Hicks for paying Stray-Rod that ungodly amount. He finally payed for it, but Selig hasn't.
3) The home team thing for the All-Star game is minor in comparison.
4) And I love the DH! I hate seeing pitchers bat.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 09:59 PM
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12. It appears that there are no well-respected commissioners.
Edited on Fri Dec-09-11 10:00 PM by HuckleB
I'd say Stern is the worst, but Selig is the worst historically. Selig is not quite as bad as he once was, but Stern has gone from ok to horrific.

Oddly, as I say that, I realize that Stern has always been scum. He allowed "the Jordan rules" to flourish, and it has taken a great deal from the game.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 10:57 PM
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15. I was so thinking about posting a poll like this yesterday
Stern by a mile
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 09:31 PM
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18. Bettman by a mile.
He has ruined the game of Hockey.
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