League reviewing trip of Dolphins' Carroll by Jets' staffer

[Forkboy]

The NFL said Monday it is reviewing the sideline incident in which a New York Jets coach tripped a Miami Dolphins player during Sunday's game.

A Jets spokesman said Monday that the team also is reviewing the matter.
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"That is so dirty," Dolphins linebacker Karlos Dansby told the Sun-Sentinel after seeing a snapshot of the incident. "Come on man. That's dirty! It all trickles down hill. Their head coach opened a can of worms over there, and now he's got to fix it. It's sad. There's no place for that in football. Hopefully they'll be fined for it. I'll leave it up to the league."

Outspoken Dolphins linebacker Channing Crowder had his own take on the play.

"I wish they would have tripped me. I would have broken his leg," Crowder said.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81cdf34e/article/league-reviewing-trip-of-dolphins-carroll-by-jets-staffer?module=HP_headlines

You tell 'em, Crowder! :)

[madinmaryland]

1. The Coach must have thought he was coaching in the NHL.

:hide:

[Auggie]

2. ESPN: Alosi banned without pay for rest of season

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5915776

[RockaFowler]

3. And fined $25,000

That's just from the Jets. What will the league do??

[Auggie]

4. That's got to be a lot of money to a staffer like him

[rocktivity]

5. Ban him for life, I hope

NO excuse whatsoever.

:grr:
rocktivity

[Mojambo]

6. I'm not sure how the NFL ever allows him to work in the league again.

It's so beyond the pale for acceptable behavior. Sometimes one strike is all you get.

[trumad]

7. LOL---the GM said Alosi took ownership which was a good thing.

as opposed to not taking ownership? :shrug:

[Poiuyt]

8. Was Alosi et al coached to do this?

Look at the image:



Eric Winston was just on Jim Rome and made the comment that it would be really unusual to not flinch if you were on the sideline and a gunner just got knocked out of bounds near you. But look at the Jets people. They're lined up like a wall, shoulder to shoulder.

[trumad]

9. It's an absloulte strategy.

This was a strategy devised by the coaching staff. Is it a legal strategy---I think so...but there sure is a fine line regarding the doucheness of that strategy.

Was Alosi told to do this by the coaching staff.... I wouldn't put past Ryan for a second.

[trumad]

10. Winston wasn't suggesting that this was a flinch was he. If he was---he's a jerkoff.

[Poiuyt]

11. No, just the opposite

He said that it would be normal to get out of the way if someone in full pads was sprinting at you. The fact that these guys were standing there like a wall implied that it was a strategy

[trumad]

12. yeah---al the talking heads on the radio are certain this came from Ryan.

standing side by side.

[Forkboy]

13. It's definitely a strategy.

And one that in and of itself I don't mind. It's their sideline and not in the field of play, it's incumbent on the gunner to adjust, not them.

The trouble comes from Alosi moving to impede the guy and not just standing there. That's the shit that bothers me. Do what you can within the rules to win, but not outside of them (especially anything involving knees...that was always the one thing in hockey that terrified me and everyone else).

The players standing where they were was certainly planned. The move by Alosi was pretty much just reaction however, and one I think he does regret. I think a suspension for the rest of this year (including playoffs) would be the right punishment. I don't agree with a football guy getting a lifetime ban for one stupid moment, despite the egregiousness of it.

I do think it reflects on the coach though, and has to. Almost all teams take on the coach's personality, good or bad. The other week Brady spoke of the Patriots taking on Belichick's attitude "to say little when you lose and even less when you win." And the Jets have taken on the persona that Ryan puts out. It's proving to be both a blessing and a curse, because that rah rah attitude can work, but it has to be disciplined at the same time to continue working, and the Jets as an organization seem to lack that discipline.

[JonLP24]

14. I was wondering

if that guy (who bent his knee) was bracing for impact. I know it doesn't look like it at all--but I remember a game last year where ref Mike Carey stuck his forearm out and knocked a running back on the ground. Sure in one way it looks intentional but if he did nothing, he would of been ran over by the running back.

It is all probably moot anyways. The trainer admitted responsibility and called his actions "inexcusable". If he was bracing for impact I'm sure he would of said so(though few people would probably believe him).

I know this has little to do with your point though. It is something I've been thinking about the last few days and this seemed like the sub-thread to share my thoughts.

As far as lining up together like that as a strategy, Steve Tasker agrees with you. IOW, doesn't mind it as a strategy especially if a gunner is using the sideline as a weapon. Though he was against the knee but not the strategy.

[Forkboy]

15. Like you say, if it was accidental he would have said so whether anyone bought it or not.

I've taken some liberties playing hockey and had some taken against me (by my best friend at times no less), and I do think it was just a spur of the moment thing. It's not something you think about doing beforehand, and regret after, but it happens.

And I'm glad to see Tasker take that position. He's an example of a player who battled his ass off but always did so fairly. I loved watching the guy play football.

[JonLP24]

16. I should of pointed out

that I'm not still wondering about that or even when I made that post. I was trying to say it was something I was wondering about. I pointed out Mike Carey, because when he stuck that forearm out, it was bad for the player but good for Mike Carey. If he didn't stick that forearm out he would of been ran over. I was trying to draw a parallel from there. I stopped wondering when I heard clips of his press conference. It was all-in-all a bad post by me in trying to say what I meant to say.

I wish I could of seen Tasker play, or remember games he played in that I saw. I do have fuzzy memories of watching the Bills in the Super Bowl but I couldn't tell you what happened in the game without looking it up(except for the fact the Bills lost).

[Forkboy]

17. Tasker was mainly a special teams guy, but he made an impact.

It's rare that coaches have to game plan for a special teams guy, but Tasker made teams do just that.

This is a great bit from NFL Films....
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-top-ten/09000d5d809990c5/Top-Ten-Not-in-HOF-Steve-Tasker

[trumad]

18. Again I say...

if it is legal for the gunner to go out of bounds, and the opposing team to stand side by side like the Jet's did, I say run a Channing Crowder like guy as a gunner and let him take out the whole sideline.

[bluedigger]

19. I think you're right, trumad.

If it is okay for players and/or nonplayers on the sidelines to impede the progress of an opposing player during the course of play, then the entire sidelines better start wearing pads and helmets at all times, because they are fair game, too. If they want to toe the line, they do so at their own hazard.

[Forkboy]

23. Why, if they're on the sideline? You go out of bounds in any other situation and it's wrong.

Why not this one? Why have out of bounds at all if certain players can ignore that and take out opposing players/personel who are on THEIR OWN sideline?

Not defending Alosi's actions. He clearly went out of his way to impede the Dolphins player. But that doesn't mean any gunner can run throughout your sideline willy nilly. I like that the Jets did this, I just don't like that Alosi took it that extra step and deliberately interfered.

[bluedigger]

24. Because they are still in play.

It is this situation that matters not every other one. I do think they should revisit the rule allowing players to go out of bounds in this situation - there needs to be a more clearly defined neutral zone to separate players and non-players.

[Forkboy]

25. I don't think they should be allowed to go out of bounds at all, unless pushed.

"Still in play" could apply to any situation.

I'm not trying to defend Alosi's deliberate actions is any way, but the Jets have every right to line up on their sideline how they see fit. Nothing they did interfered with anyone ON the field. Why do special teams guys get a pass on this rule that applies to no other player on the field at any point during the game?

The league has already handed out instructions to every NFL team over this, but I suspect we'll see a better interpretation from the league by next year. :)

[Forkboy]

20. Well, in that case, as much I'd enjoy seeing it, I'd say the gunner was in the wrong.

I don't think it should even be legal for the gunners to go out of bounds the way they do. WHy have boundries if certain players on certain plays can ignore them? I've seen guys take a stop at the Gatorade stand (ok, I exaggerate, but only a little lol). If you come into my sideline you don't have the right of way...fuck you. You want to go through me, that's your choice, but then don't complain of interference or injuries. :)

I will say this, the best thing about your approach is that it gets closer to hockey, where players police things as much as the refs. If Alosi played hockey and stuck his knee out like that he'd been in 3 fights before the end of the period. :)

[JonLP24]

21. Appearantly there is "Tasker rule" and the Dolphins were flagged for it during the game

that is meant to prevent players from intentionally running out of bounds to avoid a press. Here is what Tasker said and more about the rule that

<snip>

"No question, you're not supposed to trip someone, but I think this is an overreaction," Tasker told ESPNNewYork.com reporter Rich Cimini. "This isn't stealing signs or illegal taping or somebody sabotaging something. It was just a guy, reacting."

The NFL implemented the so-called Steve Tasker rule, a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty to deter gunners from intentionally running out of bounds to avoid a press.

Dolphins safety Reshad Jones was flagged for the Tasker rule two punts before Jets strength and conditioning coach Sal Alosi stuck his knee into Dolphins gunner Nolan Carroll, creating a firestorm of controversy.

"You think this is the first time ever happened? Come on," Tasker said. "Guys were always giving me extra shoves. You don't want to see someone get hurt, but it's not a big deal. Why wouldn't you give a guy a forearm shiver? Everyone on the sideline is part of a team and they all want to win. Shoot, even the doctors are competitive.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/33675/steve-tasker-on-sal-alosi-uproar-so-what

I wanted to post more but I'm pretty sure 4 paragraphs apply here.

[Forkboy]

22. Interesting article...thanks.

If a gunner is going to use the sideline as a weapon, like I did, why wouldn't you want to form a road block? There's nothing wrong with that as long as it's within the rules."

[Awsi Dooger]

27. I just mentioned this in another thread

Before seeing your post.

As a Dolphin fan I've noticed that since we changed special teams coaches after the New England debacle our punt cover guys often run straight toward the sideline and then loop upfield while out of bounds. There's no effort to juke the cover men. It's turn immediately right or immediately left, depending which side you're on. The rookie Reshad Jones was called for it Sunday and could have been flagged in previous games. Carroll is also a frequent offender but typically he doesn't abuse it like Jones.

It's another example of rule changes detracting from the game. Under the old rules any player could leave on the snap and chase the punt. Much more strategic variety in those days, and more blocked punts. But kick returners were smacked around by multiple players as soon as they caught the ball.

[trumad]

28. "It was just a guy, reacting."

Tasker is full of shit and would be singing a different tune if Carroll was out for the season because of this.

A reaction? Oh---so I guess shooting someone in the face as you were robbing him was just a "reaction".

[hughee99]

26. A good strategy if your goal is to take out the staffers,

not necessarily as good if you're trying to tackle the returner.