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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:59 PM
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BCS Standings
Edited on Sun Nov-15-09 09:01 PM by JonLP24
1 Florida 10-0
2 Alabama 10-0
3 Texas 10-0
4 TCU 10-0
5 Cincinnati 10-0
6 Boise State 10-0
7 Georgia Tech 10-1
8 LSU 8-2
9 Pittsburgh 9-1
10 Ohio State 9-2
11 Oregon 8-2
12 Oklahoma State 8-2
13 Iowa 9-2
14 Penn State 9-2
15 Virginia Tech 7-3
16 Wisconsin 8-2
17 Stanford 7-3
18 USC 7-3
19 Oregon State 7-3
20 Miami (FL) 7-3
21 Utah 8-2
22 Brigham Young 8-2
23 Clemson 7-3
24 Houston 8-2
25 California 7-3
Complete standings:http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/BCSStandings
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:00 AM
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1. Now all we need is for Bama, Baiters, Horns, and Natti to lose so we can have the Ragnarok of the
BCS.....Boise vs TCU for the national title!!!!!
The death-nell of the BCS.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:43 AM
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2. If five teams finish undefeated...
that will be the same thing. And I think it is going to happen.
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:39 PM
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5. It wont be the same thing. The folks in the BCS will just say, "well, we picked #1 and #2 of
undefeated based on strength of schedule, history, coaches poll, etc. What we need are for two undefeated "non-traditional/non-BCS" schools (i.e. Boise and TCU) to face off against each other in the National Championship and the advertisers will force the hand of the NCAA to institute a playoff, or, at a minimum, a "plus-one".
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chemfreak Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:15 PM
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7. Suggestion to FIX the BROKEN BCS... a modest proposal
Edited on Mon Nov-16-09 02:28 PM by chemfreak
Please read through before you declare that I'm a moron...

1. 8 team playoff system (4 games just before Christmas, 2 at New Years, 1 around the 8th of January)
2. ANY team that is eligible to be ranked by the BCS that is undefeated gets an automatic seat in the pool of 8
3. All remaining spots are filled by the remaining top BCS teams
4. Seedings are in order of final BCS rankings independent of record

Rationale
Current administrators currently claim that there are several reasons why there cannot be a playoff system. EVERY SINGLE OTHER athletic event (professional AND college) at EVERY LEVEL (including football at smaller schools) has a playoff system already in place. Their first argument is that these are student athletes and they should be students first. If there are college games spanning all the way to the first or second week of January, then the proposal here does not change anything except they may play three games during their break instead of having 40 days off and playing one time.

Some say that that a playoff diminishes the regular season as "each Saturday is a playoff". I disagree. If a big school (Big 10, SEC, PAC 10, Big 12, etc.) loses one game, they are often out, but not always. In situation where there is a playoff, MORE schools will have their championship dreams alive longer... which will increase the audience. For example, if University XYZ has a strong strength of schedule, they may still be in the hunt with a 2 loss record if you consider the playoff... do you really want to eliminate the massive power of the XYZ Fan Nation? With 2 loses, it's "almost" certain that you're out in the current system... especially if you're not a favorite son.

Athletic schedules are formed five years in advance. When John Q. Passer signs his letter of intent at University XYZ, he has absolutely no idea how his team or his conference will fair in his senior year. In the current system, you have to look him in the eye and tell him "I know you went undefeated. I know you did everything we asked of you. I know the teams playing for the championship have lost a game or two (maybe even to you). But because of the 'gut feeling' by the pollsters that you guys are not as good as others, you don't even get a chance to prove it. Sorry." I have a BIG problem with that. Have you guys ever seen "Hoosiers"? Did anyone see the 'small school' undefeated teams actually WIN against the big conference giants in the last few years? In my opinion, if you're a school that can be named in the top 25 coaches' poll and the BCS rankings, then you are deserving of a crack at the big game if you go undefeated.

Why a playoff system of 8 and not 4?
Here is a list of the number of undefeated teams (as of the final BSC rankings) for the last 10 years.
1999 - 3
2000 - 1
2001 - 1
2002 - 2
2003 - 0
2004 - 5
2005 - 2
2006 - 2
2007 - 1
2008 - 2

By my count, a playoff of 4 teams may leave out at least one undefeated, and probably many damn good 1-loss teams. A playoff of 8 teams will almost certainly include all undefeated teams and several very deserving ones with losses as well. To be the champ you should fend off all legitimate condensers. "My" team has won under the current system and I still want it changed. Nothing is worse than a "paper champ".

Finally-$$$$
Here's what I think it all comes down to... money. When a team plays in a BCS game, the school gets a butt-load of money. The big conferences know this and they like it... a lot! They want to keep out the small schools because they want to get a bigger piece of the pie. To me, this is just a half-notch below price fixing, point shaving, and complete corruption. We let the big powers dictate the rules to help keep the big powers big and powerful. When it all comes down, this stinks of corporate corruption and insider trading more and more and college athletic championships less and less.

*Insert Rant*
We refuse to let most teams have a crack at the crown because we want to line the pockets of the big boys. While this is happening, John Q. Passer is coughing up blood because he still believes that an undefeated season will possibly give him a shot at his dreams. They can take all the double-talk about "student athletes need to be students first and that's why we won't have a playoff system" and roll it up, light it on fire, and use it to smoke the million dollar cigars that the heads of the big boys are sucking down at the expense of the students.

Conclusion
We need a playoff. It's not fair to those who do all that have been asked of them to get no shot. A true champ can take on all challengers. Paper champs suck. Insider corruption by big boys only suck. The BSC sucks... in its current form.

I welcome your comments, name-calling, and creative limericks.

p.s. The 7 games will generate more money than 4... currently only 1 BCS game means anything... I think this just MIGHT offset some money. Do the math college boy!
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:18 PM
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8. You had me at 8-team playoff
I think that's just about right, not too few or too many and enough for an undefeated WAC,MAC,C-USA, or MWC team to break through and have a shot. You added a lot of reasoning behind it that I will finish (I was half way) and I agree 100% so far.

Welcome to DU :hi:
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:32 PM
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9. But then we wouldn't have anything to complain about!
Welcome to DU!
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:37 PM
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10. Welcome to DU and the Sports Forum!
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 03:11 PM
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11. Agree with your playoff idea..except
Edited on Mon Nov-16-09 03:41 PM by Upton
this...."ANY team that is eligible to be ranked by the BCS that is undefeated gets an automatic seat in the pool of 8"

That doesn't take into account the discrepancy in schedules..I'm not fond of the idea that it doesn't matter who you played, as long as you're undefeated.

Take, for example, Boise State and TCU. As it stood, going into this past weekend, BSU will play 10 FBS teams currently ranked out of the BCS Top 50 this season, an average ranking of 90.6.. TCU will play eight such teams with an average 81.5 ranking.

BSU, in going undefeated so far, has played 10 opponents that combine for a winning percentage of .4473...the 98th most difficult schedule in the country.


Play a REAL schedule...then get some respect.







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chemfreak Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 04:20 PM
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12. Re: Play a REAL schedule...then get some respect.
Again... schedules are set 5 years in advance. LSU, Texas, Ohio State, and Florida cannot play 100 games each per year (to suit all the teams that would want to play a respectable schedule).

If you think that Boise St. will get slaughtered, then put them in and watch the slaughter. At least then you know. As the announcers say "that's why you actually play the game". I LOVED when Boise beat OU... I know they gained a TON of respect after that... despite any strength of schedule discussion.

If you want to change to "any team that is undefeated AND finishes in the top 25 in the BCS" then I can completely live with that. My statistics from earlier were pulled from final BCS rankings... only top 15 were available for the early years and 25 for later years. There were not a multitude of teams eligible... average of 2 or so per year.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 04:25 PM
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13. Nobody wants to play Boise State!
Edited on Mon Nov-16-09 04:26 PM by El Supremo
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 05:01 PM
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14. I see the PR firm hit the ground running
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:36 AM
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20. The Boise State vs. OU game was the second best college game of all time. I also loved when Utah
beat Bama. I agree. Let the "little guys" in and see what happens. Undefeated is still undefeated.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 08:37 PM
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17. 16 teams. Division 1A is living proof it works.
Then we'll see how good the Mountain West is. Throw Boise against, say, a 11th ranked LSU. Or TCU . Much less margin for error. If you're going to have a true playoff, do it right. But this is all a dream. You're not Cboy, are you chemfreak? Is that name calling?
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:34 PM
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18. To the contrary, the BCS is so awesome the NFL should scrap the playoffs
and use a computer ranking system to choose the two participants in the Super Bowl.

Moreover, the league should give the teams more freedom to set their own schedules. This would allow good teams like the Patriots and Colts to schedule games against the Redskins' practice squad and UFL teams for the first half of the season to boost their chances of a favorable ranking by the computer system. That's exciting football that fans want to see, and the BCS folks should be commended for recognizing this.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 06:50 AM
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19. THAT"S IT!!!
Good point, Telly. Never lookeed at it from that angle.
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:38 AM
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21. Touchdown. Never looked at it from that angle. When you put it in those terms, the BCS should have
been done away with yesterday.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:11 PM
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3. WOW! USC actually went down?
I figured they would have moved up a couple of spots after losing last week. :sarcasm:
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:35 PM
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4. Yeah, I thought the same thing. After all, it took 4 losses to finally get OU out of the top 25.
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:08 PM
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6. Not only down, but...
they're actually ranked below Stanford. It's an early Christmas miracle!
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 05:03 PM
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15. When was the last time Cal and Stanford were in the top 25?
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 06:52 PM
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16. Do I count 5 PAC-10 schools up there? Guess that settles the 'which conference is the greatest'
debate! ;)
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