I have never been embarrassed to be an Eagles fan.

[MrSlayer]

Not from throwing snowballs at Santa (he deserved it), not from cheering injuries to opponents (fuck em), not from intimidating opposing fans (this is our house), not from having a jail in my stadium (Hey you have to have somewhere to put those beat up Cowgirl fans). No, I have never been embarrassed or ashamed to be an Eagles fan, until now. The signing of the heinous criminal and dog torturer Michael Vick is appalling to me. First off, what the hell do we even need him for? We have one of the five best QB's in the league in Donovan McNabb and Vick can't play the position. Our backups are better than him. Secondly, why bring this shame to our city? The Eagles under Lurie have always been a team that prides themselves on only having character guys on the squad and this is the ultimate in hypocrisy. The moral high ground they have been able to claim has just washed out from under them. This signing makes no sense on any level. We let beloved iconic and classy Eagle players like Brian Dawkins, John Runyan and Tre Thomas go claiming money issues and yet we have money to sign this fucking torturing, lying asshole? I just don't get it. I'm embarrassed and ashamed and it's going to be really hard for me to get it up for this team this year. And to our credit, most of the fanbase feels the same way. Talk about putting a damper on enthusiasm, they just made Philly the center of an ugly, distracting and completely unnecessary circus.

I'm sickened.

[inthebrain]

1. There's always the Islanders

And it's lookin really good for the future of that team.

Four Dmen look to be going to the WJC. All of em North Americans.

[DaveinMD]

2. you shold have been

sickened by some of those other things too.

[Condem]

4. You didn't grow up in Philly, Dave.

Was at the famous Easter Egg Hunt at The Vet when the crowd booed the little girl who found no eggs. You know who that was? Yessir. Sarah Palin.

[DaveinMD]

5. yeah I didn't grow up in Philly

I expect people in every city to be civil and not beat the crap out of people because they root for a different football team. I expect people not to cheer when people get seriously injured. I guess I'm expecting too much.

[Condem]

6. Check out England for a World Cup soccer match.

Good sports.

[DaveinMD]

7. idiocy in one place

does not excuse idiocy in an other. Are the conservatives in Kansas ok because you should see how conservative they are in Alabama?

[Condem]

9. And are punk rock fans who go nuts say for Green Day or The Sex Pistols misplaced?

C'mon, Dave. You grew up in Maryland. Live a little.

[DaveinMD]

10. actually

I did not grow up in Maryland. Wishing harm on other people is not living.

[Condem]

13. You're right, Dave.

I'm a pacifist. Join me at Woodstock in the Lounge.

[madinmaryland]

3. Basically makes that 44-6 nonsense look like nonsense.

:hi:

[Forkboy]

11. No, nothing makes that look like nonsense.

;)

[madinmaryland]

16. Do you really want to go there?

46-10?????

[Forkboy]

24. Lighten up, Francis.

[madinmaryland]

32. Heh. That is one of the Super Bowls that I remember well.

I was with my ex and the family that had "adopted" her. They were all HUGH Patriots fans, and you know that I'm not. Needless to say, I was the only one eating, drinking, and generally having a good time. :evilgrin:

[Forkboy]

35. I had a great day on that Super Bowl.

The Bears have always been my 2nd favorite team, and it was clear to any one who wasn't a homer that the Pats were going to get crushed. The Pats had done well to get there but were clearly over matched by the Bears. I was giving up to 16 points to rope people into betting on the Pats. My wallet got a lot fatter that week, so that Super Bowl brings good memories to me. I made more money off that game than any other single game I've ever bet on because I was literally surrounded by eager takers. The only person who wouldn't take the bet was my best friend, because the Bears are his favorite team. He hated the Pats back then.

I debated betting on the Rams when the Pats faced them in the SB, just because it's the Patriots and I never thought I'd see them win a Super Bowl. Glad I didn't.

[mix]

8. Source: Donovan McNabb isn't happy with Vick acquisition

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/m/2009/08/13/source-donovan-mcnabb-isnt-happy-with-vick-acquisition/

Vick will be a bust and gone within the year.

[rep the dems]

14. Sounds like crap to me.

McNabb sounded 100% supportive of Vick in his press conference last night and both he and Reid stated that he was informed of and approved of the decision.

[mix]

15. I prefer to believe that McNabb resents the move and that Vick will tear the team apart.

:hi:

[rep the dems]

18. I don't agree with the first part.

The second part remains to be seen, though I hope and expect that it will be wrong as well! :hi:

[TZ]

25. Ummm--McNabb pushed for the Eagles to sign him

Apparantly they have known each other for years...

[mix]

26. don't believe the hype

[rep the dems]

53. By "hype" do you mean the things that Donovan himself said?

Like "I pretty much lobbied to get him here because I believe everyone deserves a second chance and what a better place to come here with this group who continues to stay together. We bind together through tough times."

[Captain Hilts]

51. Yes, I don't 'get' that. nt

[madinmaryland]

31. That's fine! Take one more year away from McNabb. He does not have many left.

Works for me!!

[Forkboy]

12. I feel for ya, dude.

If he had signed with the Pats I would have been mortified, and would have disowned them.

He's a fuckhead. Sorry it was your team that signed him.

[madinmaryland]

17. Pffth! You would NOT have disowned them. You would have put on a spin

that would have impressed KKKarl Rove!

[joeybee12]

20. Phooey on you! I would have disowned them also...

...low is as low can get.

[Forkboy]

23. Whatever.

You're getting pretty boring.

[BeachBaby]

19. Wow. I couldn't have said it any better.

I spent all day listening to WIP. I've known Anthony Gargano for a long time (we have mutual friends and grew up in the same area). He was stunned by this as well. I talked to some dudes at the Wawa, as well as in a news shop (since every single Wawa I went to, was out of The Daily News newspapers). Not one person is pleased with this.

Philly and Philly metro folks are all about their sports teams. I think that Eagles fans feel disillusioned after dealing with the loss of a class act player and mentor to the team (Brian Dawkins), only to turn around and hire a convicted criminal. While the fans may be notorious for being less than classy, the team had always strived to stand by their reputation for having "character" players.

Yesterday, everything changed. And I don't know what that means for the team, or the fans.

All I know is that I'm confused, angry, and embarrassed. It sucks. :(

[mix]

29. 5-0

[madinmaryland]

33. Are we going to make it 6-0 this year, mix?

:thumbsup:

[mix]

34. 1st team on offense looked great, the defense has a ways to go...

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/multimedia_center.cfm?id=17B92A73-A90B-7F0C-25D82D1ED536667D
Romo looks better. I am optimistic about reaching the playoffs and think the defense will come together by the season's start.

[BeachBaby]

36. I have no idea how your post is a reply to mine.

[rep the dems]

39. Expecting a Cowboys fan to make sense is like...

expecting a Cowboys team to win a playoff game. Back in the day it might have happened, but now it's pretty much a lost cause.

[mix]

44. 44-6!

5-0

[madinmaryland]

47. Kind of like an Eaglet fan expecting to win a Super Bowl, in any millenia!

That is a real lost cause.

[rep the dems]

48. Keep living in the past, Maryland Cowgirls fan. nt

[mix]

49. The past can give hope and direction to the future...

...the Eagles have no past in the Super Bowl era. Just losses.

[rep the dems]

52. Tell me, how many of the current Cowboys players were there the last

time Dallas won a Super Bowl? What past are they going to look back to for "hope and direction?"

[madinmaryland]

60. Tell me, how many Eagle players EVER won a Super Bowl, while they

were an Eaglet?

[rep the dems]

61. I'll assume since you dodged the question that I posed to mix in my

last post that you don't have a very good answer for it. Figures.

[madinmaryland]

62. I'm just pointing out the fact that the Eagles have no

"past that are they going to look back to for "hope and direction?""

It pretty much renders your query as meaningless.

[rep the dems]

64. Too bad I wasn't the one who said that the past could provide hope and direction.

And although you don't want to admit it, none of the Cowboys can look to their team's past either because none of them were there the last time Dallas won a Super Bowl. Got it?

[mix]

63. Not a player, but the OC Jason Garrett was Aikman's backup...he was there.

The Cowboys have been in a ditch for quite awhile, that's obvious. It's only natural that we fans cling to the glory days.

And Jerry Jones is still there. Say what you want, he did put together 3 SB winners despite his subsequent failures.

[Voltaire]

21. I grew up in Philly. I've been an Eagles fan since 1967

I am very confused on a lot of levels with this. I think Vick deserves a second chance, just not with my team. I don't want my team to have to deal with the distraction and the karma. Probably makes me an effin hypocrite, but that's how I feel.

Part of me looks at it just from the standpoint of the game and that this could have tremendous upside if it works. And as excited as that makes me, I feel guilty about even thinking that way.

I understand how Eagles fans who are against this must feel. I can't go all the way with some of it, but I understand. I get that. Again, I don't want my team doing this. What Vick has done is beyond the pale.

But I am also a liberal, if not a Christian. I honestly believe that the door to reformation is never closed either here or in the hereafter. I am in no position to judge Michael Vick. I am sickened by his crimes, but working in the criminal justice system as I do, I have to say that he has paid the price that the system ordered him to pay. And he will pay much more for the rest of his life in ways we cannot imagine (and some of us WILL NOT imagine).

So I am confused today, because I want my team to win. Prior to this signing, I would have said that I would want them to do anything possible to win the Super Bowl. But this might be a bridge too far, even for a guy who bleeds Eagle Green like I do. Time will tell how this all plays out. But I long for the day where the team I love will be known for their exploits on the field and not for this surreal signing.

[NJmaverick]

22. I feel for you

I wouldn't want him on the Giants and I know it must be tough to deal with.

[mix]

27. Sure, who would want Vick on their team? But "feel for" Eagles fans?

Never. Vick perfectly fits the team and its fans.

[Voltaire]

37. Screw You

I am so sick of criticism about Philly fans, as if they are different from New York or Boston or other fans. And most of the criticism is uninformed bullshit. To say that Vick perfectly fits that team and that fan base shows a complete lack of knowledge of either. In future, buy a clue.

[mix]

38. man, bunch of grumpy Eagles fans around here lately

:rofl:

[DaveinMD]

41. New York

teams never had to build a prison under the stadium to prosecute all the assaults in the stands.

[Voltaire]

58. Because they aren't pro-active

I'm sure they'd have no problem filling them if they DID build one, or running full shuttle buses to Riker's Island

[DaveinMD]

59. nope

Philly is a different experience. I've been to games all over the east coast. Nothing approaches the experience in Philly.

[NJmaverick]

42. In the end I relate to all football fans

even if they root for a different team. I like things to be about the game and the players and coaches, not all the BS about criminal actions and the like. It takes away from the game. I really think the league made a big mistake letting Vick back before he has done anything to redeem himself.

[mix]

43. I admire your approach and try to stay rational too when talking football,

but not when it comes to the Eagles.

Vick did serve his time, he is legally redeemed and does have the right to play. If it were any other team I could probably care less, but since it's Philly, watching the circus/meltdown commence has been enjoyable. And it will only get worse.

[mix]

28. You'll be cheering for the Eagles on opening day. I guarantee it.

5-0

[MrSlayer]

56. Yeah, probably.

There's no real alternative.

[rocktivity]

30. An Eagles fan told ESPN

"I knew that some team would be stupid enough to pick him up, but I never dreamed that it would be mine!"

:headbang:
rocktivity

[litlady]

40. Agreed on every point. nt

[Onceuponalife]

45. You weren't embarrassed when the Eagles signed T. O.?

The biggest hogdogger ever and one of the biggest douchebags and homophobes ever to play the game?

[mix]

46. the stone hands, you forgot the stone hands

[MrSlayer]

54. No. I loved having T.O..

He was awesome for us that year. And I think they should have paid him. He and McNabb would have been a force for years.

[Captain Hilts]

50. I love Donnie McNabb and I don't 'get' his sponsorship of this. nt

[MrSlayer]

55. I don't know how true that is.

He's something of a diva, I don't think he liked this at all. But on the other hand he is the ultimate company man. So he'll toe the line.

[Captain Hilts]

57. All the good quarterbacks are divas. We'd love to have Donnie in DC. I have dear friends...

that are Iggles fans, so I understand what you're going through.

Peace, until we play.

[Chisox08]

65. Why all of the Vick hate?

Yes what he did was wrong. He served his time let him get on with his life. I see more hatred towards Vick then I've seen towards Donte Stallworth was driving while drunk and high and killed a guy who was on his way home from work.

[MrSlayer]

66. Stallworth didn't intentionally kill the guy.

Vick intentionally killed and tortured animals for six years. Big difference. One is an accident, one is intentional. If Donte went on a six year torture and killing spree he'd be hated too.

[Chisox08]

68. If you are driving while drunk and high

I don't care what your intentions are when you kill someone it's murder. I'm willing to bet this wasn't the first time Stallworth drove drunk endangering the lives of others.

[MrSlayer]

70. Well he got a light sentence because it was the deceased guy's fault.

And if he hadn't been slightly above the legal limit he wouldn't have been charged at all. So no, it's not murder, not even close. It was an accident. Nothing accidental about what Vick did.

[BeachBaby]

71. I can assure you that the courts care very much about intent. n/t.

[talblkman]

73. Continue to hate after he's paid his legal debt to society?

Do we continue to hate this man after time served? Yes, he committed a crime and even admitted it. He didn't deny he did what he did, nor did he hire some fancy attorney to prove he was innocent. He was guilty, sentenced and released. The NFL has given this man a rare second chance. Why in the world can't we? Stallworth and Vick are two different situations.

[talblkman]

72. Alternative motive to hate Vick?

I'm confused as well why so many people literally claim to HATE Vick. This man has served his time, if you have an issue with that, take it up with the judge. Vick will continue to be harassed and ridiculed for his actions. Why can't we simply allow this man to come back to work without the devine hate? I'm convinced there's an alternative motive here - and I believe race has much to do with it.

[TZ]

74. You need to read about the psychology

of people who torture animals. Its indicative of deep personality flaws...even sociopathy. Something that doesn't go away after serving one's time.
Its analgous to the feeling people have for pedophiles who are released from prison. You know that they've served their time but that doesn't mean that the underlying psychological problems have gone away.

BTW, Stallworth is black too so how can this be a race thing?

[Forkboy]

75. You want to know what "has much to do with it"?

[Name removed]

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[flvegan]

69. Fuck off, spammer.