Hammerin Hank states it's impossible for someone to hit 70 HR's in a season...

[trumad]

---Hank ain't no fool like some here on DU. Check his quote.

Although Aaron is not as vehement in his stand against performance-enhancers as some of his fellow Hall of Famers, he believes the gargantuan power numbers amassed the past decade should be viewed rightfully with skepticism.

"I played the game long enough to know, and it is impossible for players -- I don't care who they are -- to hit 70 home runs," Aaron said. "It just does not happen. I think that's one reason why people's eyes started opening up and they said, 'How can this guy do this?'
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=4355886&type=story

[Upton]

1. Check this

straight from the article..Aaron doesn't dispute Bonds' status as baseball's current home run champ

Case closed..

[madinmaryland]

2. " it is impossible for players -- I don't care who they are -- to hit 70 home runs"

CASE CLOSED.

[Upton]

3. Hank 's entitled to his opinion

though you have to remember he hasn't played the game in over 30 years. The bottom line is that Aaron admits Bonds is the HR champion, the Bonds haters can't get around that...must be a tough pill to swallow.

[madinmaryland]

36. And you are also quoting Hank's comments as gospel. So what the Fuck, Douche!

[TZ]

93. wants an asterick

Aaron is saying Bonds has the record. But the record is tainted.

[Upton]

94. What he's REALLY saying

is Bonds unquestionably has the record and to placate all the naysayers, of which he is not one, and to be on the safe side, possibly asterisks should be placed on all records achieved during the steroid era.

Edit: If all records during the steroid era are under question, who's going to judge which records are good and which are not? And remember, Bonds has not been convicted for lying or suspended by MLB..

[TZ]

96. because he didn't play when the testing was included

REMEMBER he was in the Mitchell report AND he did fail the random drug test.
He's not singling out Bonds no..but he certainly isn't calling him untarnished either whatever you believe. He said something about 70 runs not possible without help? Gee who do you think he's talking about?

[cboy4]

4. I bet in college, trumad was one of the students who -- even though he

didn't know the answer to the essay question -- thought the more he wrote .. even if it was nothing but bullshit, he'd get a good score because he filled up his paper. :eyes:

(kinda what he does at DU)

[trumad]

5. Cute

At least my college papers included whole quotes. You're thread about this was pure bullshit because you left out the part that Hank had no doubt that Bonds is a cheater.

Douche.

[cboy4]

7. Hank has never said he "had no doubt that Bonds is a cheater."

[trumad]

10. Yeah but Hank said you can't hit 70.... correct?

he ain't stupid like you.... He knows Bonds used Steroids.... Hell---even Bond's admitted it--- OHHHH but not knowingly---LOL

Should there be an asterisk next to Bond's name like Hank says?

[cboy4]

13. Of course there shouldn't be an asterisk next to Bonds' name.

As I've said a million times, I think the controversy surrounding Bonds should be included in the narrative as part of his display in Cooperstown .. just like I believe the controversy surrounding Rose should be included in the narrative at his display.

Allow the fans who walk through decide for themselves.

But to put an asterisk next to the name of a player who did not violate a single MLB rule, was never suspended from MLB and was acquitted in federal court, would be outrageous.

Even Mr. Aaron cannot come out and say by name Bonds should have an asterisk.

Even Mr. Aaron believes Bonds is the home run king.

[trumad]

16. Hey---what's the lottery numbers next week?

You predict the future, right...."Acquitted"?

Douche

[cboy4]

18. The judge has thrown out all of the evidence the government team was

planning on twisting around for the jury.

Gee, what a shock a Bush-appointed US Attorney would fuck things up.

And incidentally .. way to go trumad supporting Bush.

[trumad]

21. So wait a minute>>>> is he aquitted or not?

Yes or no?

[cboy4]

22. No, he has not been acquitted yet

But, then again, the Washington Nationals technically still have a chance to win the National East.

[trumad]

26. and hence the reason you have a reputation of just making shit up.

Douche extraordinaire...

[cboy4]

33. Yea, I wouldn't expect you to pick up on how I constantly overstate his status

in order to gloat about what I know is going to happen in court.

On the bright side, even though Barry has been acquitted .. maybe another player you hate will come along and not be as lucky!

[trumad]

57. But you said he was aquitted?

And now you're saying he wasn't--- you're all over the place.

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[trumad]

74. Seriously though

You clearly said in the post up above that he was acquitted---- but then in another post you said he was not?

Which post did you lie in?

[cboy4]

77. I already told you why I say it. Reading comp is your friend.

[trumad]

84. You say he was acquitted---but he's not---correct?

[Onceuponalife]

91. He just can't keep up with all his lies.

[madinmaryland]

31. There should be an asterisk next to cboy4*'s name.

[trumad]

6. Yeah---and should have an Asterisk next to his name...

He did say that didn't he? What do you think about his opinion about that? Do you think the guy you're using to er close your case is correct about the Asterisk?

Douche

[Upton]

8. Are you going to follow the example

set by Aaron and publically admit that Barry is the all time HR leader?

We're waiting..

[trumad]

9. In the books, Bonds is the all-time leader---

That's a fact and right now it's not disputable. So what---

Hanks only spouting fact.

OK---your turn--- was Hank right about the Asterisk?

[Upton]

12. So you admit publically that Bonds is your HR king..

excellent, I'm glad that you've seen the light. I trust we'll no longer be hearing anything from you claiming Aaron is the real HR leader.

Aaron says this: "It's hard to say the reason you hit a home run is because you're on steroids. I don't believe that. I believe your body can recuperate quickly to come back on the field. But I certainly don't think you can stand up there and hit a Nolan Ryan 100 mph fastball just because you put something in your arm or took a pill.''

"The thing is, do you put these guys in, or do you put an asterisk beside their names and say, 'Hey, they did it, but here's why?' To be safe, that's the only way I see that you can do it."

Sounds to me as if Aaron is suggesting the use of asterisks just to be on the "safe" side. For me, in Bonds' case, a better argument than that needs to be made since Barry has never been convicted by the government for lying, when he said he never KNOWINGLY used, or suspended by MLB for a dirty test.

[trumad]

15. You're cute with all your parsing...

Of course you leave this quote out:
"I played the game long enough to know, and it is impossible for players -- I don't care who they are -- to hit 70 home runs," Aaron said. "It just does not happen. I think that's one reason why people's eyes started opening up and they said, 'How can this guy do this?'

Dude--- On the books---Bond's has the most home runs---right? Now with that said--- did he cheat to obtain the record? Of course he did... except in the minds of "Dumb Motherfucker" club members like yourself and the other Douche.

Hank thinks that cheaters including a cheater that hit an impossible 70 home runs, should have an Asterisk next to their name.

Now---you have used Hank several times as Gospel about Bonds.

I'll ask again--- do you think he is right about placing an Asterisk next to Barry Bonds name in the Hall of Fame?

yes or no.

Douche

[Upton]

17. All I did was use Hank's exact words

quite effectively I might add, to bolster my argument against you. I can understand the sting you must feel.

I've already answered your asterisk question in my previous response. Nonetheless, here it is again:

Sounds to me as if Aaron is suggesting the use of asterisks just to be on the "safe" side. For me, in Bonds' case, a better argument than that needs to be made since Barry has never been convicted by the government for lying, when he said he never KNOWINGLY used, or suspended by MLB for a dirty test.

In other words..NO ASTERISK

[trumad]

20. Of course not---

Aaron wants to put an asterisk alongside Bond's name--- and you don't.

It don't matter if he uses the word "safe"--- he thinks the Asterisk should be used.

You don't because you're a Douche just like your twin.

So let me repeat... Aaron says yes to an Asterisk---Upton/Cboy say no.

[H2O Man]

11. I agree. n/t

[cboy4]

14. I'm going to punch you out.

:hide:

[H2O Man]

85. Today,

it wouldn't take much!

[trumad]

95. He'd try to bitch slap you

and you'd simply left right his ass to la la land.

[H2O Man]

98. Saturday evening,

I tore my right shoulder. This getting old business sucks!

My left hook is still fast and hard. And my jab ain't bad -- used to be one of the very best in the sport at any level, but still could do some a job. (grin)

[Forkboy]

19. He's right. And people who argue with him over it should be kicked in the head.

[inthebrain]

23. In all fairness, when McGuire broke the 61 mark

he openly admitted to taking andro. That should have been the eye opener but no one really seemed to care.

Funny that it took a black guy about to break the single season HR record that people started flipping out about roids.

[Forkboy]

24. Enough with the race card. People WERE upset about this long before Bonds.

The one person who wasn't, and apparently still isn't, is Bud Selig.

The reason Bonds get the most attention is because he broke THE BIGGEST RECORD IN BASEBALL, and some are bothered that he may have done so by cheating. Myself and others were equally pissed at McQwire, Sosa, etc.

Playing the race card is a bullshit tactic.

[inthebrain]

25. The race card was played when folks started losing their minds over Bonds

and started holding congressional hearings.

Since when did they do that when McGuire was taking andro?

I'm sure you were upset at McGuire. The country at large wasn't as outraged as it is now.

Oh, and just so you know, those that complain about the "race card" and use it as a talking point generally tend to be racists themselves.

[cboy4]

28. ....

:popcorn:

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[inthebrain]

34. I'm not saying YOU'RE A RACIST

So stop getting all melodramatic.

When McGuire admitted to talking Andro in 98 there were no congressional hearings and not all ballplayers taking roids lied about taking them.

In 98, McGuire's steroid use was passed off as "I don't reccomend this to kids but it's what I need to do to keep my body healthy." McGuire was hailed as hero by the sportswiters and politicians for breaking the record. No questions asked and no astericks were discussed.

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[inthebrain]

45. The term "Generally" is the qualifier there

That doesn't mean ALL people that make that charge are racists. And yes, the phrase "playing the race card" is used and coined by racists to make it look like minorities use their race as an excuse. It has an implicit meaning behind and that's what it's use is intended to be. It's meant to throw attention off of blatant recist acts, behaviors and tendencies and place the blame on minorities. As if racism doesn't exist and it isn't those that are racists (Hint, the country is full of em) actually playing on race.

That sentence you are pointing out is more along the lines of, "Just so you are aware......".

Using that term is not evidence that one is a racist. A lot of folks also use it not knowing the meaning behind as well. I was working from the assumption that you do not know what you are expressing when you use that.

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[JonLP24]

55. That was you?

I had no idea who that poster was until I saw a Thank you mods post in GD: P. I did a google search of his posts as I was unfamiliar with who he was and it was pretty racist crap. What I also found was that not long after being banned he went crying on an LSU Tigers message board that he was banned for speaking the 'truth'

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An interesting note from democraticunderground.com

Rex_Goodheart,

Last night we observed your posts on this thread:

LINK(http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... )

The moderators consider your behavior there insensitive towards black people. You have a history of these posts, which are against DU rules. Please re-read the rules: http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html If you continue in this manner, your posting privileges may be revoked.

- DU Moderators

I was called "racist" (as well as "Republican") because I reported an indisputable fact in response to Obama broaching the matter of disproportionate treatment of blacks and minorities: that black men commit a disproportionate number of crimes.

The "history" of my posts includes the fact that I called Jeremiah Wright a racist, and that it's absolute bull that white people would prefer to build jails than universities for black people.

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/messagetopic.asp?p=1...

What is funny is some of the people in that forum are not in total lockstep with what he has to say.

[Forkboy]

56. I sent all the links to the mods the night before Rex finally got axed.

He had been spewing racist shit ever since he arrived. How he made it through the primaries is beyond me.

[JonLP24]

62. Yeah it was pretty clear he is one

I don't hang out much in GD or GDP because I'm not into flame wars myself. It was yesterday morning when the Sports forum was dead. There was also a post in GDP near the thank you mods post I think was titled 'Many white people don't get it' referring to the Gates incident. Anyways he replied in that thread saying the original post in that thread is racist :eyes:

Racist people are usually the first ones to cry racism whenever there is a discussion about white people.

[Forkboy]

66. It was no coincidence that it was the Gates story that drew him back out.

He barely posted since the primaries, but a white guy was being attacked, and viola! There he is.

[inthebrain]

58. Dude, the Gates matter isn't some massive coming to light that this board is loaded with bigots

I've known that for years. Those that are claiming that Crowley was in the right for doing what he did are no surprise to me. I could have told you who was going to take the "reverse racism" stance before it happened. Also note that those defending Crowley are also screaming about the "race card".

You don't even recognize the irony in you accusing me of using "the race card". I am not using race in regards to this issue to gain an advantage over anyone. I am not using it as a trump card. I am making an observation which I have backed up with facts.

You are using the "race card" arguement as the trump card. In effect, it is you using the "race card". I am not using race to defend Bonds, Palmeiro or Conseco claiming that they didn't use roids. My position is that they did use roids as did McGuire as well. The crux of my discusssion over this is the outrage as it didn't exist on the scale it does now when McGuire openly admitted to using them in 98.

You fail to see the irony in the use and application of your charge. That I find terribly funny.

[Forkboy]

64. You played the race card, got called on it, and then went ahead and flat out called me a racist.

We have nothing left to talk about. Go find a tall building and take a leap.

[inthebrain]

68. After I said I had no evidence that you were a bigot

and continued to falsley charge me with playing the race card.

You see the race card being played when there is no application for it. Even when it is pointed out to you that racists use that charge to deflect attention off of themselves onto the victims you ignore that fact and continaully (not to mention proudly) scream, "Race Card".

They do that with every charge of racism. Note that it gained noteriety when Mark Fuhrman, in OJ case, was busted for being a racist and planting evidence. It was also used in the Abner Louima case as well as the Rodney King beating.

Are you actually gonna continue to ignore the fact that that is a talking point used by racists? As if black people, latinos and hispanics are even absurd for ignoring history or being suspiscous.

[Forkboy]

70. You're not out looking for buildings.

I think you should quit lollygagging and get to it.

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[Forkboy]

76. yes, I've been fooling black DUers since 2001 until you sussed me out, Clouseau.

:rofl:

[inthebrain]

78. I don't know who's white or who's black on this board

didn't know you paid so much attentiont to that.....

ON THE INTERNET.

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[inthebrain]

80. Hannity is famous for accusing people of playing "the race card"..

identifying the irony in your own arguments is not your forte.

[Forkboy]

81. I knew you wouldn't let me down.

[inthebrain]

97. BTW I don't know who's flagging your posts

but it is DEFINITLY not me.

[TZ]

99. CLEMENS?

Is he black and we just don't know it?

[cboy4]

27. I don't remember you giving Sosa a hard time....or McGwire. Were you not

one of the Red Sox fans who wet their pants during the 1999 home run derby .. when it was at Fenway Park . and those guys were hitting the ball 600 feet out onto the Mass Pike?

LOL

I realize DU wasn't in existence in 1999, but my point is McGwire and Sosa felt the love despite their suspicious cache of power, while Bonds was treated as a sex offender.

[JonLP24]

29. Griffey won that derby

Was in the final against Jeromy Burnitz. McGwire was out after the 2nd round and Sosa only hit one home run in the 1st round.

No proof whatsoever of Griffey taking 'roids and more impressive he is a left handed batter that beat everyone in a righty's park.

[cboy4]

39. Where did I mention Griffey?

It was Sosa who really put on the show.

In fact, I think he broke some of Professor Gates' windows over in Cambridge.

[JonLP24]

41. You said 1999 Derby and I pointed out Griffey Jr won that

Sosa really put on a show with ONE home run. :rofl:

[Forkboy]

30. If you know DU wasn't around, why ask?

I railed on them all along. My friends and I termed that All Star Game "Roid Fest '99".

Next?

[cboy4]

35. You mean you guys were talking right around that time!!? Or did you wait

until BALCO came out, and Barry Bonds, before you started calling it the Roid Fest??

Because I know very few people who didn't jizz themselves watching McGwire and Sosa go BACK, BACK, BACK, BACK (in Berman's voice).

[JonLP24]

37. Sosa only hit 1 home run in the entire derby

Not good to use him as an example.

[cboy4]

40. Wait a minute. A clearly remember him puting on an amazing show.

Lemme look

[JonLP24]

42. Here it is

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/asgbox/hrderby2.shtml

I clearly remember that Derby well and McGwire put on a show in the 1st round but flamed out after.

[cboy4]

44. Alright, my bad. It looks like Sosa went nuts the following year...

when he hit a staggering 26 in Atlanta.

[JonLP24]

47. It's ok

The only derby's I really remember well is the 1999 and the 1998 at Coors, both ones Griffey won. Obviously I remember this year's derby but Griffey has been my favorite baseball player.

[trumad]

61. Dumb ass

[cboy4]

67. Oh listen to the guy who never screamed at Sosa and McGwire as being

cheaters until he hopped on the anti-Bonds bandwagon. :puke:

[trumad]

73. Sosa and McGuire are cheaters.... I've said that 1000 times here on DU...

Now can you say the same about Barry?

[cboy4]

82. No no .. as you're aware, one of my major complaints about all of you

weasels who lump Bonds, McGwire and Sosa in the same lot, is you treated Bonds a millon times worse.

A million times worse.

And that's because you refused to call McGwire and Sosa cheaters early on -- even before Bonds started hitting 60-70 homers a year.

Why is that?

You didn't find their numbers suspicious?

You only found Bonds' numbers suspicious?

It's so goddam fucking hypocritical.

[trumad]

86. Dude--- I've called Sosa and McGuire cheaters way before you showed up on the scene

with your Barry Bonds fellatio.

Dude---Douche.... the only reason Bonds gets more attention on this sports forum is because you constantly post love notes to Barry Bonds----AND---- watching you respond when we call bullshit is equivalent to watching a train wreck.... so--- like crack cocaine--- we---logical thinking sports fans--- non-members of the "Dumb Motherfucker's" club----simply feed on it.

You were a loner with a boner until your altar-ego Upton came along and now you got someone to play with.

[cboy4]

88. Sure you have

When you've not been too "busy" "thinking about" Dan Marino

[madinmaryland]

89. Once again, cboy* has gotten his ass handed to himself on a platter.

[Forkboy]

43. Were talking about about when both Sosa and McQwire started chasing Maris' record.

The record stood for decades and suddenly these two are on their way to not just breaking it, but smashing it. Anyone with a brain knew these guys were juiced, and even if the league didn't care I, and many others, did.

Did you complain about Matthew Shepard at the time, because I didn't see it. I know DU wasn't around at the time and all....

See how weak your argument is? Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I stopped watching baseball for a few years over this shit, and it's still a major cloud over MLB.

[cboy4]

48. Yea, nice straw throwing a fatal gay bashing incident into the mix.

What the fuck does that have to do with me asking you whether you were critical of McGwire and Sosa .. while they were putting on a show at your home stadium -- before you started in on Bonds?

Jesus Christ.

[Forkboy]

50. It has to do with you complaining that you didn't see me speak out...

...WHEN DU WASN'T EVEN EXISTENCE. I was illustrating how fucking dumb what you said was. I know you cared about it, but by your logic, if I didn't see you actually speak out it must not have happened.

Earth to cboy? Come in, cboy?

Jesus Christ, indeed. :eyes:

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[JonLP24]

51. LOL this doesn't make sense

After you acknowledged your error you again repeat Sosa put on a show at Boston(assuming that's what you mean by Forkboy's home ballpark) unless of course you consider one home run as putting on a show.

[cboy4]

63. Yea, I believe the ball ricocheted off of Sosa's microscopic junk that

was horrifically reduced by all the steroids.

I do consider knocking even one homer over the green monster with your penis quite a show.

[Onceuponalife]

60. I've read this whole thread and I'm sorry cboy*

but trumad wins this argument (and you know I'm no trumad fan). It's prety obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that what Aaron (the once and future home run king) meant was that on paper Bonds is the king becuase his number is higher than Aaron's, but then he says it's impossible for Berry to do that, ergo, he was being clever by not actually coming out and calling Bonds a cheat but implying that he couldn't have done it without pharmaceutical help.

btw, it's sweet that you kept all your marked up test papers from school, cboy*.

[cboy4]

65. Yea, we all know what you're rubbing together.

And it's not brain cells.

[Onceuponalife]

72. Go ahead change the subject

The last refuge of the defeated.

[cboy4]

83. Here. I want to buy you a present as a token of my apology for being

so rough on you about your love of the cheater.

[trumad]

87. I'm going to call bullshit on you saying you're Gay...

I don't fucking believe you.

Are you trying to imply that he should fuck Mann in the Ass?

Isn't that homophobic.

[trumad]

75. Well at leat he's not rubbing Uptons.

[MrSlayer]

90. Being that it did happen twice I'd say that it is certainly possible.

In addition to steroids we also have had a tighter wound ball, watered down pitching and smaller parks. Many things factored into the inflated numbers.

[flvegan]

92. I strongly disagree.