Should Medina's mayor apologize for the attack on Mecca of the year 630?

[Boojatta]

[rzemanfl]

1. Undecided because I don't know WTF this is about. n/t

[Boojatta]

2. The city Mecca existed before there were Muslims.

Before 630, Mecca was not controlled by Muslims.

[rzemanfl]

5. And Medina figures into this how? n/t

[Boojatta]

7. The people who marched on Mecca came from Medina.

In 622, Medina became the seat of Muhammad's growing movement after the Hijra.

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In the ten years following the Hijra, Medina formed the base from which Muhammad attacked and was attacked and it was from here that he marched on Makkah (i.e. Mecca), becoming its ruler without battle.

Source:
Medina: City of the Prophet

[rzemanfl]

8. Thanks for the education, but if there was no battle how was it an

attack?

On edit, God but I can be a pain in the ass.

[Boojatta]

9. Maybe "invasion" is a more appropriate word.

If people surrender without a fight, then there's no battle.

The people from Medina didn't show up with cash and ask for movie tickets. They showed up with weapons and asked for political power.

[rzemanfl]

11. Sounds more like an annexation, like Austria in Hitler's day.

The Anschluss of Mecca. Yeah, the mayor should apologize, then when he's done they should start working out that Sunni/Shia crap.

[saltpoint]

3. If he doesn't I'm likely to fly into a rage and burn a Kentucky

Fried Chicken place to the ground.

[catbert836]

4. I would say no.

There's not a lot of evidence outside the Qur'an that the attack on Mecca even happened, similar to there being not a whole lot of evidence that Jesus was crucified outside the Gospels. Was that what you're getting at? That saying the Jews should apoligize for Jesus' crucifixion would be just as ridiculous?

[Boojatta]

6. Maybe, in the year 629, Mecca posed a grave and gathering danger

and by the year 630 Medina could no longer afford to wait? Was Mecca developing weapons of mass destruction?

There's not a lot of evidence outside the Qur'an that the attack on Mecca even happened

The mayor of Medina might argue that this is all the more reason to doubt all claims made outside of the Qur'an.

We hear the term "crusader war" used like a cuss word. I was thinking that the hypothetical attack on Mecca of the year 630 was a kind of crusader war. To many Muslims, it might automatically be a good kind of crusader war.

Imagine that everybody wore a uniform that indicated his or her religion. Then if people had videotapes of courtroom trials, they could cheer or boo verdicts based on the religion of the winner and the religion of the loser.

However, if a person would cheer or boo based solely on the religion of the winner and the religion of the loser, then the person might have no interest in the facts of the case and no interest in any principle of law. In a legal system based on universal principles of justice, such a person would probably be an incompetent judge.

[catbert836]

10. Hmmm...

We hear the term "crusader war" used like a cuss word. I was thinking that the hypothetical attack on Mecca of the year 630 was a kind of crusader war. To many Muslims, it might automatically be a good kind of crusader war.

Fundamentalist Muslims have their own word that means essentially the same thing as "crusade". It's "jihad". While that word in Arabic actually means a purifying spiritual struggle that does not necessarily involve violence, so does the word "crusade" in English. Most fundamentalist Muslims have an equally violent reaction to the word "crusade" as fundamentalist Christians do to the word "jihad".

Imagine that everybody wore a uniform that indicated his or her religion. Then if people had videotapes of courtroom trials, they could cheer or boo verdicts based on the religion of the winner and the religion of the loser.

However, if a person would cheer or boo based solely on the religion of the winner and the religion of the loser, then the person might have no interest in the facts of the case and no interest in any principle of law. In a legal system based on universal principles of justice, such a person would probably be an incompetent judge.

That's the exact definition of the word "prejudice"... to pre-judge someone, in this case, based on their religion.

[Boojatta]

12. If the USA had Islam as its official religion and only Muslims were

permitted to become US soldiers, then who would have complained when, invited by the Saudi government, the US government stationed some US soldiers on Saudi soil?

[catbert836]

13. That's the nature of fundamentalists.

They're always willing to overlook someone's character flaws if they're of the same religion. Applying that logic to fundamentalist Christianity, if Hezbollah were Christians, Pat Robertson would be praying to God on air to give them victory in their holy war against the vile Jews.