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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 03:59 PM
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SBC Commissioner has page dedicated to the "Death of Liberalism"
Edited on Wed Aug-02-06 04:00 PM by Maat
As almost everyone here knows, I research and write about the Religious Hardright. I also happen to be a believer - a believer (non-Christian, non-Muslim, non-Jewish, but Religious Scientist) who learns about and honors all spiritual paths and traditions (and lack thereof), and who unites with other believers and non-believers to address the Religious Hardright's voter-propanganda-machine.

I found this, and it made me ill:

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Death of Liberalism

By staff - Jul 11, 2006 - comment

Updated 7-31-06

“The Achilles’ heel of liberal relativism is catastrophically low birthrates. When you deny the importance of family…of children…of God’s teaching about marriage, you end up with low birth rates.” – Richard Land

This page is dedicated to tracking the destructive results of liberalism, both within the church and beyond it. We will update it as things develop.

http://www.sbc.net/redirect.asp?url=http://www.erlc.com
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Richard Land is definitely part of the Religious Hardright machine, and he made sure he was in the picture related to the ban of the D&X Procedure (the so-called "Partial Birth Abortion Act").

Thoughts?
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 04:11 PM
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1. I'm sure DUers would enjoy his biography ..
Edited on Wed Aug-02-06 04:14 PM by Maat
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n his latest book, Imagine! A God-Blessed America (Broadman & Holman, 2005), Dr. Land encourages readers to envision an America where more Christians are RADICAL CHANGE AGENTSwho reflect Christ, not culture, and where people are liberated from the cult of self and instead committed to the common good.

(Emphasis mine.)

http://www.sbc.net/redirect.asp?url=http://www.erlc.com

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Oh, and when he refers to "Christians," he REALLY is referred to very, very "conservative" Christians (that seem very authoritarian to me).
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ziggy_luv Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 04:34 PM
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2. 9.6 lb baby girl all liberal
what is he taking??
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 05:03 PM
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3. Good job!
I'm raising a lib (my nine-year-old).

Of course, every time she wants to make Mommy scream, she says, "I'm moving to Oklahoma to live with Nana and Papa, and I'm going to become a Conservative Christian." That's my girl - she really knows how to get to someone (e.g. me)!

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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 05:14 PM
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4. Hi Maat!
The "low birth rate" screed is one I remember the Nazis using as well....
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 05:51 PM
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5. Hiya!
(I've been rather busy taking - and PASSING my real estate state test - so I have to get back to posting.)

Yep, I'd say that you're right. There are parallels between the behavior of AUTHORITARIANS in history and current AUTHORITARIAN religious zealots.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 06:18 AM
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7. Congrats on passing!
I'm glad for you!
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:18 PM
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9. Thanks! Take care! (n/t)
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 06:22 PM
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6. The cheering on is repugnant, but might they not have a point?
Some of the historical parallels mentioned might not still apply. For the good of the planet, we need to reverse the current population growth rate, and enter a slow, steady decline in population to take pressure off the ecosystem. We're in an era where lower population is a strength, not a weakness. Then again, that which is a strength on a planetary scale might not be a strength on a national scale.

If it's true that conservatives are, in general, producing more children than liberals (and I see no reason to presume that isn't true), these trends could be troubling. Thing is, if it is a problem, what would you do about? Try to cheer on a "make more liberal babies" movement? While obviously conservatism and liberalism are not clear and simple hereditary traits, for both genetic and cultural reasons I suspect it's true that liberals tend to produced more liberals, and conservatives likewise.

(And by the way, no matter how many people chime in her to tell us about their own kids, that doesn't change the overall picture. :) )
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 03:17 PM
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8. So what if they have more babies.
Hows that going to help them when the environment breaks down, and all their children starve to death. Its going to happen eventually, no doubt about it. So have more babies, you fucking moron religoius conservatives. You and your ilk worldwide are digging your own fucking graves (and mine too).
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:24 PM
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10. From what I see around here ...
in Hardright Fundamentalist, Ca. (Murrieta, Ca. - 1 hour north of San Diego - inland) ... they ARE having more kids. We only have 1 - and we 'dopted her. And most fellow progressives only have 1.

But, I have a feeling that some of those kids will grow up to be progressives.

I did, despite my parents having belonged to the John Birch Society, and having grown up in Orange County, Ca.

By the way, my parents' mistake was letting me essentially be raised by my progressive, independent, paternal grandmother. Too bad - they should have thought of the consequences (HeeHee)!
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 02:50 AM
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11. Liberals don't deny the importance of family
We're just smart enough to know it's not responsible for everyone to be spawning like rabbits. Unfortunately the conservatives will overpopulate the world and deplete the resources for all of us.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 12:03 PM
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12. It's looking that way (n/t).
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 09:49 PM
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13. Edit: I Get It Now
Edited on Sat Aug-05-06 09:52 PM by Southpawkicker
I was confused, I thought this was SBC as in Southwestern Bell Company and I was getting ready to scream since I've currently got an SBC DSL link with a 1 year contract that started last January

Southern Baptist Convention

did we expect anything different from these hate filled phonies?
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