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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 08:25 PM
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What Genesis really says about the creation of the Universe
Edited on Thu Mar-16-06 08:26 PM by DinoBoy
I realize that many Christians (and most DUers) see that Genesis (and most of the Old Testiment) is actually a series of metaphors and stories, and is not a literal history of the world. If you happen to come across an old-Earth creationist however, who insists that the six days of creation is really what happened, you might want to point the following out to them: according to Genesis, the sun, moon, and stars are within the atmosphere and beyond the atmosphere is water. This was initially elucidated in a presentation (whos authers I can't remember, but will find) at the 65th annual meeting of the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology in October of 2005, so this idea is not mine. This is a recap:

(This translation is the NIV available at bible.com)

Genesis 1
The Beginning


1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning葉he first day.


6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning葉he second day.


9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning葉he third day.


14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights葉he greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning葉he fourth day.


20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning葉he fifth day.


24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground容verything that has the breath of life in it悠 give every green plant for food." And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning葉he sixth day.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 08:29 PM
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1. It makes the case for Cannibus which has SEEDS
LOL
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 08:51 PM
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2. Come, da momma has made fresh cookies
:D
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 12:25 AM
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5. Now...dats de kind of Brownies I like....LOL
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 08:55 PM
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3. sun, moon, and stars are within the atmosphere and beyond the atmosphere i
sun, moon, and stars are within the atmosphere and beyond the atmosphere is water -

clouds being water of course

And stars are in the sky and are under the clouds? - "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky."

well that sure is wrong isn't it!

:-)
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 09:08 PM
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4. I can't understand a word you're writing
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 08:35 AM
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6. You're Not Alone...
... I'm shaking my head too.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:04 AM
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7. LOL :-)
:-)

Logic is a fun course often taught in college to those who want to learn it,

:-)
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Emperor_Norton_II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:24 PM
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10. No doubt.
However, I don't think classes on Dadaism are terribly widespread.

So, you wanna try to rephrase your gibberish or just continue to be smug & condescending?
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 05:19 PM
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12. Please papau, I'm serious
If you want to say something and have me respond thoughtfully, clear up the syntax and grammar, I can't understand what you're trying to say. Seriously. What you wrote doesn't make sense to me, could you please rephrase it?
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:57 PM
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15. methinks he has been hitting the sacramental wine
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:09 PM
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16. Opium...
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:13 PM
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17. =)
Nice smiley! (And now, I'm off to our CD Release party! See ya later!)
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:21 PM
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18. Have fun!
Don't do anything this atheist wouldn't do.

In other words, anything goes, god's not watching.
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Brilligator Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 11:19 AM
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8. I've argued this with Creationists
as well as "how could there be light before there was a sun"?

And "why is there a different order in the two different creation stories Gen 1 and Gen 2"?

And all the other contradictions.

Their completely unphased. The universal answer is, "Why couldn't God have done that? He's all powerful"

So the answer to your questions is, there was water at that time and then God separated it and then mopped it up later. He can do it, He's that good.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 11:34 AM
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9. water in the ism
Well, I'm sure there are creationists latching onto the detection of water in the interstellar medium as proof of the "water above the sky" thing.

They do like to adopt science when it fits their needs.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 05:09 PM
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11. Great pictures! I love how the sun appears AFTER the plant life.
:toast:
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 05:21 PM
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13. I created the pictures, but they are merely MS paint reproductions
of the ones that authors (whos names I still can't find, dang it!) used in their original presentation. Although they didn't have an octopus :-)
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:29 PM
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14. The octopus
is my favorite part.
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 02:06 AM
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19. Pass the ganja please
Please explain to me why anyone, short of a drug trip, would believe in such nonsense. Clearly, the bible was written by a civilization unfamiliar with modern day science. Buy wait, those who 'believe' claim god inspired the bible. How so? God created all, is all knowing. How is it that god inspired such an ignorant text? Beam me back a few thousand years and I bet I could inspire a more interesting text. The bible might have more nudity and hedonism under my tutelage, but the origin of the universe would make more sense. :evilgrin:
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