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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 11:09 AM Original message |
These are our choices? |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
1. "I don't think we have the ability to prove or |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 01:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
22. understood |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Ah, well I am more close-mined till |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 07:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. But, |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 07:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Isn't the inherent problem with what you are saying |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. No |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 10:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. So because my wife and I created two children |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 07:56 PM Response to Reply #42 |
56. In a way |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 07:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Minerals go through various cycles. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 10:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. That stretches the birth/death |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. A few things |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:58 AM Response to Reply #40 |
90. "... attribute a spirit to a rock." |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. I was being more Shinto... |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:51 AM Response to Reply #33 |
89. Au contraire... |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 12:29 AM Response to Reply #32 |
47. I'm replying to this post because you cite it down-thread |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 07:31 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. OK |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. It's gobbledygook because its assertions are meaningless |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 10:44 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Why do you conclude that? |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. I'm stunned by your willingness to believe in absurdities |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 06:33 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Then be stunned |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 07:09 AM Response to Reply #32 |
48. In answer: |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 07:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. In further answer... |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 08:23 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. . |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 10:34 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Yes |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 11:22 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. I will cut to the chase. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 11:25 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. No |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 12:43 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. "you cut off every point I made except for one. Why?" |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 01:57 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Yes I have |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 04:42 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. strong atheist's theist friend |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 06:09 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Hi |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 06:35 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. thank you |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 08:03 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Sure thing |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 07:02 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Meanwhile, back as S.A., |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 08:01 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Hello again |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 08:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
58. "when are you proven wrong?" |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 11:34 AM Response to Reply #58 |
70. Maybe then? |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
75. That has happened! |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. "When god comes up, introduces him/her/itself," |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 05:23 PM Response to Reply #77 |
94. Sound a little egotistical |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 05:56 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. It seems a reasonable standard to me |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 06:09 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. You think requiring proof of existence is a "pretty ridiculous standard"? |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #94 |
105. To atheists (or at least to me) |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #75 |
97. "The bible is true, because the bible said so!" |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Atheism is true because atheism says so |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 10:06 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Okay, Mr. Herman. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:16 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Except that you're wrong in what I believe. |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:49 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Sorry |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:28 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Correct, I am an agnostic atheist. |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:47 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Surprise! There is an oak tree in my front lawn! |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:33 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Uh, the bible. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:49 AM Response to Reply #32 |
88. "This suggests a higher form of existence ..." |
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Dervill Crow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 01:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
23. I have a friend who believes she has a dragon familiar. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 03:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Funny, Carl Sagan said the same thing ... |
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Dervill Crow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 05:56 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Interesting! n/t |
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CarbonDate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 07:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
82. Some people have very active imaginations. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
87. "... things that I KNOW don't exist ..." |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 03:00 PM Response to Reply #87 |
106. Because I am not |
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grumpy old fart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
2. "I don't know"....you are an Agnostic, no? |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 11:23 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Probably |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
3. My first thought after reading your post |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 11:30 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I didn't clarify |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 11:42 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. No you missed my point |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 11:50 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. That is a shame |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 11:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
44. "the utter rejection, by atheists, that God (in any form) does not exist." |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
6. First, a choice between extremes is a false choice, always |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 11:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. But... |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 11:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. You ascribed those words to all atheists |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Good to hear |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 12:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Don't you think that for an atheist |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. Too broad a brush |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 06:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Likewise |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I will be very clear about this so there is no semantic squibble later |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 07:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Sure |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 07:33 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I am fine having the logic discussion above |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Same here |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. "Please don't confuse my second and third laws!" --Isaac Newton |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 07:09 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. "Please don't concentrate on a technical mistake... |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 09:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. I didn't exactly concentrate on it. I gave it one sentence. |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 10:20 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Excellent post! |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 11:27 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. A few things |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 11:24 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Good |
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catbert836 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 08:26 PM Response to Reply #67 |
85. Reason and logic |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Excellent! |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 02:35 PM Response to Reply #67 |
92. Finding similarities. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 12:14 AM Response to Reply #29 |
46. Not splitting hairs, and you're misstating my argument |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 07:25 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. The difference |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
9. What does "irrational" mean? |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 12:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. agreed. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 12:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. So how sure are you about those things |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 12:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. I had an animate washing machine once. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Mine does that too |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 12:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Reminds me of that Simpsons episode |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 03:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. I just have to add this |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 11:36 PM Response to Reply #24 |
45. ~ |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 12:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. The "atheists' level of certainty" |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 08:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
59. "Unless one is a Strong Atheist (tip o' the hat), " |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
60. "You CANNOT be sure of either." |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. and what does "superstition" mean? |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 06:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
28. That's not true |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Here's what I see as the problem with that line of thinking |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 07:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Well, |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 07:31 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Well I think it is coherent. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-05-06 07:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Thanks |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-06-06 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
49. Bullshit. |
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Exiled in America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
71. The bottom line is simple - if we could get there we could stop fighting: |
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CarbonDate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-07-06 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
86. Science cannot prove the supernatural. |
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