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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:30 AM
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Internet the Greatest Threat to Christians
Atheists and skeptics now have equal access to our children as we have, which is why the number of Christian youth who believe in the fundamentals of Christianity is decreasing and sexual immorality is growing, apologist Josh McDowell said.

“What has changed everything?” asked the apologist from Campus Crusade for Christ International as he spoke on “Unshakable Truth, Relevant Faith” at the Billy Graham Center in Asheville, N.C., Friday evening. His answer was, the Internet.

“The Internet has given atheists, agnostics, skeptics, the people who like to destroy everything that you and I believe, the almost equal access to your kids as your youth pastor and you have... whether you like it or not,” said McDowell, who is author of two books on Christian apologetics, More than a Carpenter and New Evidence that Demands Verdict.

The belief or worldview, McDowell said, forms values, which in turn drive one’s behavior. The worldview “is where we are falling down the most anywhere in the world.” So what is the prevalent worldview in America today? “There is no truth apart from myself,” that’s what even many young “evangelical, fundamental, born-again Christians” believe, he said.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/internet-the-greatest-threat-to-christians-apologist-josh-mcdowell-says-52382/

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WOW! Who knew?

:rofl:
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:35 AM
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1. Shit, what ISN'T the Greatest Threat to Christians?
Seems like everything and everybody is always the Greatest Threat to Christians.

Poor babies.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:38 AM
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2. I can answer that.
Ignorance.

Ignorance is no threat to literalist Christians. That is why they're so intent on advancing it in our society.
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haikugal Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:52 AM
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4. +++++++
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:49 AM
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3. Nope, Christians are in no danger.
No one will be harmed physically or otherwise by being exposed to skeptical ideas. They may reject their faith, but changing ones mind cannot be considered to be an injury. So, a great danger to Christianity, no danger to Christians.

:7
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:54 AM
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5. Atheists.org - Corrupting the Youth of America Online, since 1990.
Edited on Sun Nov-06-11 10:55 AM by MineralMan
Woohoo!

www.atheists.org
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MarkCharles Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 11:13 AM
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8. That web site must scare the bejeezus out of some people!!! Well, not...
literally!

Growing faster than any other group? WOW!
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 11:19 AM
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9. I was joking, actually. But, they are getting the information out,
and are active in squelching religious intrusions in schools, the military, and other places. I'm not a member, because I'm just an atheist, not an evangelical one. I don't really give a crap what anyone else believes. It's behavior that bothers me when it encroaches on my rights. It doesn't bother me if someone goes to church and prays about stuff. I can't imagine why I'd care. When they want kids in public school to say prayers, though, my back goes right up, but I deal with that stuff on a local basis.
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MarkCharles Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 11:41 AM
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10. Well, yes, thanks for pointing out the website! n/t
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 10:57 AM
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6. This assertion is quite ridiculous, of course...
Unless, they concede that their faith is truly weak.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 11:09 AM
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7. If the internet has the same access to your children as you do...
Edited on Sun Nov-06-11 11:10 AM by Iggo
...then you completely suck at parenting.
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 07:20 PM
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21. Failures in parenting are occasionally a good thing...
...like when "failure" is failure to impose religious beliefs, failure to "protect" children from competing points of view, failure to limit children to receiving only distorted accounts of what others believe.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 12:12 PM
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11. Sad news! Generation Internet dooms Focus on the Family!
:rofl:

What about same-sex marriage? We're losing on that one, especially among the 20- and 30-somethings: 65 to 70 percent of them favor same-sex marriage. I don't know if that's going to change with a little more age — demographers would say probably not.

We've probably lost that. I don't want to be extremist here, but I think we need to start calculating where we are in the culture.
- Jim Daly, head of FOTF, May 2011

As Daily KOS notes - well, Jim, "in the culture" you're about 50 years behind. If not on another planet completely.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/23/978522/-Focus-On-The-Family-Sees-The-Writing-On-The-Wall

Here's some related and amazing crap from Jim Daly. He conflates gayness with no-fault divorce, child abuse and welfare. (!!!) And probably somewhere in there, the international plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/24/978804/-FOTF:-Jim-Daly-Update-Gay-Marriage-Will-Doom-Us-All
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 12:32 PM
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12. Josh McDowell
Wow, is that asshat still running around? I remember when he was giving speeches on the University of Washington campus in the mid-Seventies. He was a buffoon then, good to see he hasn't changed.

Yeah, Josh, people are getting sick of your snake oil and figuring out the truth for themselves!
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 12:35 PM
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13. Fundamental Christians should begin a movement to get off the internet
For themselves and their children.

I certainly wouldn't mind seeing less of them.

TlalocW
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 12:41 PM
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15. I would support that.
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 12:48 PM
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16. +1
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MarkCharles Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 03:33 PM
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18. Or start even earlier, don't bother to teach their children to read, nor have a computer
anywhere near a fundamentalist's home or church.

I'd go for that, except that the kids would suffer more than they suffer now from their guilt complexes for being intellectually curious as children.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 12:40 PM
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14. immoral values?
Do they mean the immoral values that the christian church has had since the beginning of their religion. The Inquisition? Selling fake relics? Monks having mistresses? Selling forgiveness?

Or the pilfering of their treasury? The raping of boys? Having sex with prostitutes?

They are all corrupt and didn't need any help from those that don't believe in their beliefs.
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MarkCharles Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 03:31 PM
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17. Looking forward to the Christian pornography and inquisition web site, to
help combat the atheistic, satanic, Nazi, Commie, porn sites that fill our children's minds.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 06:37 PM
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20. Catholic Church owns a publishing company in Germany
that publishes porn.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 06:18 PM
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19. OMG people might be exposed to other viewpoints on the Intertubes!!!
If someone's faith is so fragile they can't handle other ideas it's obviously not worth much. Perhaps it would be best if such people stayed of the Intertubes, and maybe even stayed home so as to avoid any potentially different ideas.
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 09:09 AM
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22. Not even close.
The biggest threat to Christians is from within our own church. Some big ole meanie militant atheist hippie freak is easy to identify. The guy who works within your own congregation while spreading rot and discontent is not so easy to spot until the damage is done. Having dealt with both types this week I'll have to say give me a militant atheist any day and twice on Sunday.

People are still people, even though we have some really great tools at our disposal these days. It just allows us to be quicker at what we do, that's all.
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 09:21 AM
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23. "Some big ole meanie militant atheist hippie freak..."
:rofl:



You stay classy. I'm sure your god is real proud.
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Moe Shinola Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 03:56 PM
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24. Nah, no danger...
...every generation always says that about the next new media that comes along. If anything, people of faith bounce back stronger in the face of percieved "threats" like the internet, and sort of become innoculated. That's what I think, anyway.
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