"Linda Harvey Insists LGBT Christians And Allies Should Leave Christianity"

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Who is Linda Harvey?



Via Right Wing Watch

On her radio program today, Mission America’s Linda Harvey continued to stun, rolling out a new anti-gay claim: that it would have been better if Christians in the LGBT community and those who support equality had “simply walked away from Christianity.” Discussing One Wheaton, a group of LGBT and allied allumni of the evangelical Wheaton College in Illinois, Harvey reprised her theory that God couldn’t possibly make people gay, bisexual or transgender. She also repeated her earlier argument that LGBT people don’t exist, saying, “There’s no evidence there are different humans called LGBTQ people.” Towards the end of the broadcast, Harvey said that LGBT-identified Christians and their supporters should actually abandon their faith in Christ rather than “try and stay and change” Christianity:

Harvey: To try to slither around sin is not a novel idea, but to organize a group of folks to proudly renounce the teaching of Scripture is fragrantly defiant. They have bought the idea that there are people who are born to be homosexual or bisexual or in the wrong-sex body, it defies not just the teaching of Scripture but common sense, what kind of a Creator puts someone in the wrong-sex body? Or creates people destined to mate with just the same-sex, never being able to create new life together and always having problems making the anatomy work. Well, there’s a simple answer: our loving and all powerful Creator did not do this. This is the foolish and wandering heart of man.

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But One Wheaton has apparently decided they are sovereign. They would be more respectful if they simply walked away from Christianity. But to try and stay and change it is worse than hypocrisy—it’s deception.

[Deep13]

1. The ones that think JC died for their sins can't just shut that off.

And the ones that don't believe that have already left in mind if not in body. Those folks should complete the separation.

[CurtEastPoint]

8. This is seriously one fucked up woman. Her whole 'ministry' is about 'teh gay'

[Deep13]

11. Do you suppose the reason she thinks being gay is a choice...

...is because every minute of every day she has to choose not to be a lesbian? Or is she just a charlatan who preys on scared, confused people.

It just seems like an oddly specific claim. Being hetero was never a choice for me. It never crossed my mind, so I never doubted gay people who said it was never a choice for them.

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14. Could be a number of reasons

Some people (the RRRW fundies in particular) live in constant fear that they'll be "led astray" by anything and everything that's not Of God. Satan, other demons, human depravity, etc...they can all cause a wholesome, Godly person to stray from the path. That's probably one of the reasons they think gay is a choice. The Bible is another reason (if God condemns it he didn't create it, so therefore it's a choice).

[markpkessinger]

2. Latter day Pharisees . . .

. . . should focus on removing the beam from their own eye rather than the mote in someone else's.

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3. Indeed

Sadly all of their sins combined never seem to be as bad as being gay, or so it seems.

This woman is one of the most virulently anti-gay Christians (at least among women) in existence today. But what we call bigotry, as someone here pointed out recently, is just her "doctrine".

[chollybocker]

4. No true Scotsman, and all that.

Thanks, Linda, for eating your own. :hi:

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5. I'm still waiting for people here to disown her

She's not a True Christian, since no True Christian would say stuff like that yadda yadda.


Apparently there aren't any True Christians out there, if we're to believe the conflicting statements of Christians anyway.

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20. Pointing out the hypocrisy of others is verboten?

Liberal Christians dismiss the RRRW Christians as "Not True Christians", and insist that they are the True Christians. RRRW Christians do the same with Liberal Christians. If we're to believe both groups either we have to believe they're all True Christians or that there are no True Christians. Which is it, and why am I a bigot for being confused and expecting some consistency?

[chollybocker]

22. bigotry? really?

You really are missing your target with that word.

Where are the "true" Christian groups, who are gathering together to publicly protest against this kind of liar in Christ? Provide links, if you care to put lipstick on this pig.

[trotsky]

23. You mean like the prejudice shown by...

saying that atheists would not be moral without the influence of religious people?

[struggle4progress]

25. It's very unlikely her supporters read these threads; and if any did, they probably wouldn't be

persuaded by any denunciations of her here

[AlinPA]

6. "fragrantly defiant" ? What?

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7. They don't kowtow to her version of Christianity

The one where the Clobber Verses are written in blood and more important than anything else in the entire Bible.

[AlinPA]

9. "flagrantly" might be the more appropriate word?

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10. She's as "flagrantly defiant" of the Bible as any gay person

She's just defiant against the parts with which she considers unimportant (like that "love thy neighbor" and "judge not" stuff). She's a Cafeteria Christian. She thinks nothing of ignoring whatever she doesn't agree with, or whatever would make her life too difficult, then using the rest to abuse the hell out of others in the name of her "deeply held religious beliefs".

[AlinPA]

12. IMO, she is a hateful ignorant person.

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13. I agree

She'd say we're being hateful for denouncing her religious beliefs. I say, screw that.

[xfundy]

15. Simple.

Hate sells.

Especially to those who can't stop thinking about gay sex.

[Thats my opinion]

16. Once any Christian walks away

because of what some bigot has said, they have missed the point.
The real message of Christianity is ALL are welcome. But not just welcome-- CELEBRATED!
That is why the churches I know about and am part of are "open and affirming."

[laconicsax]

17. Is that why Christianity's history is FULL of schisms and sectarian conflict?

:shrug:

[darkstar3]

19. Bullshit. The majority of Christian churches make a very different message quite clear.

Christianity is about exclusion, power, and gravedancing.

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21. Go to a church that fits your worldview and values

But if you're going to do that, then what need do you really have of a religion or a church? If you already have the values what purpose does the church serve? Unless you're looking for external validation, or something like that.

[trotsky]

24. All are welcome, except those who disagree with your version of Christianity.

Very open and affirming.

[TheMadMonk]

26. Well the traditional approach to this sort of thing is SCHISM. /nt