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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 03:54 AM
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Could anyone point me in the direction of a good Demonologist?
I have experienced things in that last month that go beyond words and I feel not only that I need to talk to a demonologist, but possibly become one myself.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 04:04 AM
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1. Maybe try in one or more of the Religion/Spirituality subforums?
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 08:40 AM
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7. I believe all of those are groups, which aren't accessible to
nondonors.
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 04:40 AM
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2. Courtney Love/Billy Corgan?
"Oh, make me over
I'm all I wanna be
a walking study
in demonology"

from Hole's "Celebrity Skin" album, with Courtney Love and Billy Corgan.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 04:48 AM
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3. I know an experienced lady in NOLA who can make demons vanish. And not return!
My trusted godmother travels if she needs to. She is well-regarded in the genuine voudoun community. A scholarly book by Rod Davis featured her. PM me and I will give you her phone number. Oddly, we happened to hear from her last week.

She can give you a phone consultation and you can decide how to proceed.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 04:49 AM
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4. You're assuming that
Edited on Wed Sep-28-11 05:11 AM by skepticscott
demonology is even something that someone can be good at. The only things anyone calling themselves a demonologist is likely to be good at are deluding themselves or taking the money of gullible people.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 05:11 AM
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5. What have you experienced?
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 10:25 PM
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13. Ok here it goes:
Let me make this aforestatement : had it not been for me having experienced these things without other people I would have sought psychological help immediately. I am no slouch when it comes to psychology, the difference between real and imaginary (active lucid dreamer/ psychonaut) that being said I was fully awake and sober. I also was very agnostic/transcendentalist and moving closer to atheism ( even seeing crosses hanging on friends walls or from rear view mirror started to make me go "eck")

I guess it was about a month ago, my roommate brought a girl home (not uncommon), I was for some reason reluctant to meet her. Usually I am the happy go lucky guy that loves to meet everyone, but that night he had to force me to meet her. We will call her She from now on. The next morning/afternoon my roommate had to go to work and She and I hung out. I started talking about the ratio I want to get, something I have been working on and expanding for about a decade and am finally ready to start. When I got to the part describing my best friend's son (my true love in life) it will be made up of a swirl of my friend's and his wife's aura. Going back to being a psychonaut I see people's auras on mushrooms- and for that matter mushrooms have never been "party" for me, they have been a spiritual experience every time. She replied with a knowing look "you can see people's auras". Not even with a ? on the end of it. I explained that yes I could. She then grabbed ahold of the curiously colored crystal around her neck and said "Now, this does not come off, but I kind of have a feeling about you, grab ahold of it and tell me everything that you feel". So I did- "it's cold, really cold, wait... It's getting much warmer, it's kind of hot but not really" it was hundreds of degrees and yet not uncomfortable. "wait a sec, it's, it's changing..." I said "it's pulsating like, like electricity, but..."
"shhh" She whispered "accept it, and tell me what you see"
I started drifting into a vision, it's hard to describe because I knew and could feel that I was in the same room, and yet, the entire scene shifted and I was in a corn field, at about ten years old, the one behind my cousins house, it was a beautiful day, the breeze
Blowing the dew off the razor like fronds sprouting from the ground. I was describing this out loud to She and She said one of the most beautiful words I have ever heard "home".
Suddenly the crystal starting pulsating stronger and more rapid and all of a sudden, almost jarringly (if it were not for the comfort) we were somewhere else. We both started describing the scene "fields, endless fields
With wooden fences" "pigs, turkeys, cattel" "the cotton candy clouds, the whispers on the breeze" "a two story wooden house with an enchanting smell smoking out of the chimney".
Then I "I see a cherokee man, older, his double braided pony tail is greying, wearing a white cowboy hat. He's , he's so happy. " I start to tear " he's smiling and laughing, and god he is sooo happy"
Through tears of her own, She says " What is he saying? Focus, try to hear him"
I focused, for a little I could see his lips
Moving but could not make out what he was saying. Then it became clear "It's not you fault. He's saying it's not your fault. He says he was happy to do it."
Then he started going back (?) (I had a feeling he was riding on a horse but I never saw the horse) to the cabin, the connection was lost, and She started sobbing "That was Jeff!". She then went on to explain to me that her father kidnapped and raped her when she was young, Jeff, whom she now refers to as her father, tried to kill him to protect her (the judicial system failed them over and over) and was put in prison for twenty years, where he died.

We just kind of bullshited for awhile to kind of take in what had just happened (even though she was in to this kind of thing, which prior to I had been more than dubious of, she had never experienced something like that. As we were talking suddenly a presence sat in-between us, we both looked " you feel her too?" she asked, "how could I not feel your grandmother". Then the whole room started to fill up with my friends and relatives that had passed. Including my cousin who committed suicide, and I tell you even now as I write this I cannot hold back the tears. They were all there for me, they knew I would need strength for what was to come.

This next part needs some backstory: sorry I didn tell you earlier to make some popcorn or something
Several months ago, between 2:53 and 3:00 am I was awoken by my covers being pulled off of me, then I was attacked. I immediately knew that I was battling for my soul. My left arm twisted back around my back in a way it shouldn't have been able to and I fought and fought for control of it. Then I saw it, a tall long haired lanky shadowy figure overtop of me. I have never been so scared in my life. I fought it and prayed for the first time in years and fought it and shouted "no, this is me!" and then it left me, I got up but still saw it, the cat ran in and hissed at it. I ran around turning every light in the house on and then fell to my knees in the kitchen, sobbing and asking for forgiveness.
The day after I told my two best friends, and said it either really happened, I was going schizophrenic, or that it was a night terror ( something I used to get alot hence the lucid dreaming practice)- the other two not being possibilities for me, I chose to believe it was another night terror.

Ok back to the scene, we had just "come down" I guess you could say from seeing our relatives when we both saw and felt it. It looked like me but it wasn't me. "You feel that don't you, that negative shadow, you've never been baptized have you?". "no I haven't" "well would you?" "yes" I answered immediately "no" she said "I mean like really, would you take it to heart take it seriously?" I thought for a moment and then replied with a truthful "yes"

That is when I felt the most terrified and empowered in my life. As in a response to my yes, we both heard a laugh that unfortunately I will never be able to forget coming from my right by my feet and we both looked at it.
She calmly but hurriedly said "sit sit sit" then she blessed water and started the baptism. I felt it jump into me, at which point i got a text from my roommate which i later found out was "whats going on" because he felt a strong urge to make sure i was ok, saw it's reflection In her eyes "who are you" she said
"I'm me" I kind of said
"who are you?"
"I am Jonathon Ryan Travis Vann and no one else" I said with a sort of authority. I felt more of myself come back and then a voice said through her "All you need to do is ask and all
Will be forgiven"
So I did, through tears, as an angel cradled me.
My eyes changed color that day, they lost their grey which had been with me for years

About a week later my roommate got home from work and had to
Defend himself, fucking a kid up pretty bad ( he works security at a club). He has done some horrible things in his past which he cannot forgive himself for and you could see it oozing out of him. We were sitting on the couch watching a movie when i started noticing something skittering around the apartment, it was small, but evil and noticeable. I was watching it for a little when my roommate (a complete nonbeliever I'm these things) said "what the fuck is that?" so we decided to confront it, that's when it jumped into him. He tasted something metallic that was overwhelming and his eyes changed and he couldn't remember his name. Relics he at first sought out he then tossed away from him. I was able to get him back but it was still with him.

About a week after that She and I and a friend decided to do a sage cleansing of my place. We ended up chasing this thing around until we had it cornered. The sage seemed to make it angry, and she opened up one of my bibles to a random verse that oddly seemed to recount my situation with this evil. It really did not like that. It jumped into her, so much so that I talked interchangeably with it and She. It told me it's name, and for about an hour I fought with it until it seemed to vanish. I then realized Ithat a seed pod which for some reason I had to take with me from a tree near my work (don't know why, it rattles, just felt the need) had turned black, and I felt as though it had been captured inside it. For good measure I decided to put it in a jar of holy water, salt, and garlic. I set it out on my front porch til I figured out what to do with it.

Two days later I went out not the porch to
Join her for a smoke "what the fuck is that noise?" I asked as I looked at the bottle
"you hear it too then"
The bottle was bubbling , almost boiling and it sounded like 16 crickets in nonstop unison.
So I put it in a box with some other trash and took it towards the dumpster, on my way there the box got heavier and heavier until I almost couldn't bear to hold it, then I started having and coughing and had trouble breathing, my whole body thrown into a coughing fit. I finally was able to throw it away and it took me awhile to recuperate but, since then I have not seen nor felt this demon.

A lot of things have been left out for condensing purposes, as well as it is kind of taxing to write. But this DID happen. Interpretations could vary, true, but not all of them. I am different now.
Thank you for reading
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tiny elvis Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 04:02 AM
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24. presenting your feelings as validation of anything concrete is manipulative and incredible
it indicates that you are far from the truth and subject to manipulation yourself
the much ado is for naught
the shadows have no purpose
your story has no meaning
the arabesque fascinators of psychedelia are things to overcome, not pursue
people who have holy water around for just such emergencies protest their scepticism in vain
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 04:24 AM
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25. Didn't have any holy water lying around
She blessed some. And trust me, I did not believe in this stuff before it happened. And 3 people other than myself experienced these things with me

And whether or not it is actually true, it has awakened purpose in me. And I must say I am the happiest I can ever remember being, so to say my story has no meaning is not only insulting, it is just plain wrong, because it does have meaning to me, forget about all the rest of it. The experience has changed me for the better.

I came to this forum on DU with my story because I thought it might reach the ears of some understanding people, or at least people willing to help me in my next steps, not Debbie downers. And note I WAS SOBER, and so were the people I was with.

My "rational" side still tries to deny the events, but I can't, I just can't, too traumatic and life changing
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tiny elvis Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 06:03 AM
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26. presenting your feelings as validation of anything concrete is manipulative and incredible
traumatized and happy
you are insulted and i am a downer
you are far from the truth and subject to manipulation
magic crystals and bubbling potions
demons chased into nuts and thrown in the dumpster
these things have no objective meaning
disagreeable responses to idiosyncrasies can be painful, forcing us to decide how open we should be with strangers
fear is a very poor teacher and trauma is bad for you, unless it is brought on by your own wickedness
now i will try to be positive and suggest that
every one of carlos castaneda's books between his first and last may be helpful in giving you direction
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 06:57 AM
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28. my best guess is that you're putting us on
If not, have you been taking any LSD, mushrooms, or mescaline lately?

If not, I want you to immediately reach out for some help. If you can't afford to pay for it, I would suggest asking to talk with some people at North Texas University. If they can't help, I don't think you are too far from Dallas. You could try UD or SMU.

What you described was certainly not real. You need to get some help. Please reach out to mental health professionals.

Best of luck.
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 08:13 AM
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30. You should probably lay off the shrooms.
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Chiquitita Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 07:50 AM
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6. I've studied this a bit
as an atheist scholar, not a demonologist. I don't know any demonologists myself, but there is some precise information from the Catholic tradition here. The first defense would be a prayer to St. Michael and some holy water.

http://catholicquarter.com/blog/2011/01/25/demonology-exorcism/
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 10:36 PM
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14. Thank you
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 10:56 PM
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16. Some if the details in that article
Backed up what I experienced. Thank you. Though I still am not a "Christian", the negativity I faced sure didnt like Christianity
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 08:48 AM
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8. Jungian approach
works usually very well and makes lot of sense. Subconsciouss fears, what you can't accept and push into subconsciouss ("Shadow") can't be kept hidden ad infinitum and can manifest in many ways, also really weird. As world is and we are.

Feel free to PM me if you like.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 12:48 PM
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9. Roll 80+ on 2d10.
That should take care of it.
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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 01:42 PM
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10. FWIW
I don't think consulting a demonologist would be the best use of your money. Any such person is likely to be either nutty, a grifter, or both. I don't know exactly what the circumstances are here, but I would consult with a psychological counselor first before going the paranormal route.
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chaplainM Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 02:15 PM
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11. Make sure that you pay your demonologist in "spirit money."
Imaginary services to eliminate imaginary beings deserve imaginary payment.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 02:16 PM
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12. YES!
Welcome to DU.

:toast:
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 10:38 PM
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15. That's kind of what I meant by good
"psychics" and "demonologists" and "exorcists" that demand payment are false in my opinion
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 11:29 PM
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17. Wait, you're not serious, are you?
A demonologist? :wtf:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 12:11 AM
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18. More serious than I have ever been in my life
Whether everything they believe is real or not is not as important as they have more insight into what I went through than most
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 08:09 AM
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29. A demonologist is a charlatan!
Hey, I'm a demonologist. Send me $1,000 and I'll tell you what happened!

:rofl:
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 12:24 AM
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19. I'm a Christian and even I think this type of thing is a load of bunk
It's good in movies but meaningless in reality.
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:25 AM
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20. I refer you to my experiences above
And ask you what you would do in my shoes
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Humanist_Activist Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 03:46 AM
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21. Seek professional help...
You experimented with hallucinogenics and may suffer some chemical imbalances or even brain damage as a result. You should consult a psychologist and in addition perhaps a neurologist about your experiences. Particularly as they persist after you were off the drugs. This is quite serious, and your experiences shouldn't be taken lightly, but they aren't supernatural in any way, but most likely medical.
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 03:53 AM
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22. Haha, my shrink encouraged my use of mushrooms
And how do you explain 3 other people experiencing the same things with me. Plus, I do know the difference. And psylocibyn / psylocin do not cause brain damage or chemical imbalances- in fact they in my past helped me out of my deepest depression(s)
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 03:55 AM
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23. And my last "experiment" was about a year ago
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 06:37 AM
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27. I expect most mainstream Protestant denominations will suggest medical consultation
for those who encounter demons

It is also my understanding that the Catholics officially take the view that psychiatric or neurological evaluation is a prudent first step for those who allege demonic encounter

If you're interested in a metaphorical reading of some angelic/demonic language in the Bible, I would recommend Walter Wink's trilogy on the Powers, which he wrote after suffering a psychological breakdown associated with his distress over US foreign policy in the Reagan era

And, with that, I am afraid I have entirely exhausted my limited knowledge of the subject

Sorry not to be more helpful: I try not to encounter demons, and if I encounter them I pretend I didn't notice

:shrug:
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 09:19 AM
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31. As a Christian...
I can't say that demons don't exist. If you accept the Bible as God's word then you've got to say that demons exist. I've met a few monsters in my time and while proper mental health care has been helpful for most of them, there are a couple that really made me wonder.

Leviticus 19:31 “Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God."

So what's a Christian to do? I have doubts that exorcists have the authority to drive out demons. If they did then you would also see priests raising the dead and healing the sick as well as speaking in tongues. None of that is happening today.

My best advice would be an approach with multiple angles. Firstly, see a doctor. I can't stress this enough. Secondly, get yourself out of the social setting where the occult and seeing demons is accepted as "normal". Thirdly, much can be said for earnest meditation and prayer.

Lastly, I would advise you to clean out your spiritual closet. If that interests you I have some suggestions.

Start off with a doctor. Especially if this is starting to happen to you in your late teens and early twenties.
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