Dog sentenced to death by stoning

[Ian David]

Dog sentenced to death by stoning
Rabbinical court rules spirit of secular lawyer who insulted judges 20 years ago transferred into wandering dog's body

A Jerusalem rabbinical court recently sentenced a wandering dog to death by stoning. The cruel sentence stemmed from the suspicion that the hound was the reincarnation of a famous secular lawyer, who insulted the court's judges 20 years ago.

Several weeks ago, according to the Behadrei Hadarim website, a large dog entered the Monetary Affairs Court near the ultra-Orthodox neighborhood of Mea Shearim. The dog scared the court's visitors and, to their surprise, refused to leave even after they attempted to drive him away.

One of the judges suddenly recalled that about 20 years ago, a famous secular lawyer who insulted the court was cursed by the panel of judges, who wished that his spirit would move on to the body of a dog (considered an impure animal by Halacha). The lawyer passed away several years ago.

Still offended, one of the judges sentenced the poor animal to death by stoning, recruiting the neighborhood's children to carry out the order. Luckily, the dog managed to escape.



More:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4082843,00.html

[leveymg]

1. And, we're supposed to trust such people to use restraint with nuclear weapons?

But, not Iran?

[Enrique]

2. whoever that dead lawyer was, i like him

he obviously got under the skin of these assholes.

[awoke_in_2003]

15. +1. nt

[Mist]

3. I'm indulging in a daydream where the rabbinical court is walking near

a building site and a ton of bricks falls on them....

[Golden Raisin]

4. So glad we're living in the year 2011.

[somone]

5. W.T.F.

What country is this?

[mucifer]

7. they are Jewish fundis in Israel. Mea Sharim is an ultraorthodox

neighborhood in Israel. It is common knowledge that you should not drive a car in that neighborhood on the Sabbath because people might throw stones at you for dishonoring G-d for working on the Sabbath.
They are similar to the craziest of the fundamentalist Christians or fundamentalist Muslims.

[Champion Jack]

6. Nuts, completely nuts

[parkia00]

8. Wouldn't That Be Against The Law?

I admit I'm no expert on Israeli law but I'm sure there are anti-cruelty laws in Israel. The situation was defused with the escape of the dog but what if it had not escaped and the nuts actually planned to carry out the verdict. Does religious law trump common law?

[MineralMan]

9. Now, that's bizarre. n/t

[obxhead]

10. "recruiting the neighborhood's children"

This story was sick enough before I got to that part. WTF is wrong with these people? Oh yeah, they believe in fearful magic space people to start with.

[get the red out]

11. I hate religious fanatics

I hate them, despise them, have zero respect for them, they are the most disgusting life forms on this planet. I have more respect for roaches than fundies.

[struggle4progress]

18. I myself kinda dislike bigots who believe any nonsense slur that reinforces their prejudices

But that's just me

:shrug:

[get the red out]

20. Good!

I hope you hate my guts, it would be unfortunate if someone who so adored people that make this world an idiotic, despicable place, didn't.

And that's kind of just me.

[struggle4progress]

21. The story was retracted days before this thread started

17. When a dog runs wild in court
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=214&topic_id=287323&mesg_id=287424

[get the red out]

26. Awesome!

That makes all the verified stories of women stoned to death or otherwise killed by various religious nuts a non-issue then. :sarcasm:

[Meshuga]

12. This article reminds me of what someone told me about an old "buggary" law in Ireland...

...where sheep shaggers were hanged for having sex with sheep and the poor sheep would be hanged as well. Having the noose around the neck is not fair to the sheep at all.

In a more serious note, I believe these ultras would be capable of such cruelty even with their denial claiming that they didn't sentence the dog to death by stoning.

[onager]

19. Same thing happened in Puritan New England.

The laws of Connecticut were taken directly from the Book of Leviticus. The only difference was that it made exceptions for rape and child molestation. Thirty years before the Connecticut laws were passed, Massachusetts Bay completed the Body of Laws and Liberties (1641), which named twelve capital crimes including sodomy and bestiality. Rhode Island followed suit...

In 1641, the first recorded case of bestiality in New England took place. William Hackett “was found in buggery with a cow, upon the Lord’s day.” Ironically he was caught in the act by a woman who missed church that day...Before Hackett was executed, the cow was slaughtered in front of him and the gallows. Hackett was then hanged.

In that same year, another man was hanged for bestiality. In New Haven, a sow gave birth to a deformed fetus, which was described as “a prodigious monster.” In this case, George Spencer, a former employee of the owner of the sow, was felt by the community to bear a strong resemblance to the fetus.

...the court was pleased with the evidence that Spencer had “butt one eye for us, the other hath a pearle in itt, is whitish & deformed,” and so did the fetus. This convinced the court of his guilt and Spencer was put to death.

Then there was the case of the incredibly...energetic Mr. Granger...

The case of Thomas Granger took place in Plymouth Colony, 1642. Granger was a young man, aged 16 or 17 years, that was charged with acts of bestiality “with a mare, a cow, two goats, five sheep, two calves and a turkey.” Granger was first caught, when someone spotted him in a compromising position with a mare. Upon being charged, Granger confessed to the crimes. He was convicted and sentenced to death. Unsure of which sheep were involved, the court had them lined up so that Granger could identify his partners. Before his execution, each animal was slaughtered in front of Granger.

http://www.loyno.edu/~history/journal/1999-2000/Chehardy.htm

[struggle4progress]

23. See #17: the original story was retracted. That hasn't kept it from echoing around, of course

[cleanhippie]

28. Perhaps it is because the echos are coming from TRUE stories about nonsense such as this.

What's so interesting, is how people immediately thought "Jesus, the wingnuts have done it, AGAIN!!!" If there weren't so many TRUE incidents that are so similar in scope, people wouldn't be so quick to take something like this at face value.


YMMV.

[Ian David]

34. Poe's Law.

Poe's Law states:<1>
“ Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing. ”
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe%27s_Law

[onager]

31. Try to keep up. This is a sub-thread about buggery.

Thanks.

[okasha]

13. May every off-leash dog in Jerusalem

wage-er--chemical warfare--on these sadistic loons.

[Faryn Balyncd]

14. That's the kind of lawyer I'd want to hire!

[awoke_in_2003]

16. The Onion...

couldn't have written a stranger story.

[struggle4progress]

17. When a dog runs wild in court

16 June 2011

It started June 3 with a Maariv article titled “Meah Shearim: Beit Din Issued Instructions to Stone Dog.” Almost two weeks later, the newspaper retracted its claims of animal abuse against the av beit din.

A dog was reported to have entered the court room, running around and disturbing the proceedings. According to the original Maariv story, Av Beit Din Rabbi Avraham Dov Levin ordered the dog stoned after deciding it was the gilgul (reincarnation) of a lawyer sentenced to be stoned 20 years earlier ...

And then the newspaper took it all back: On Wednesday, Maariv published a retraction apologizing for printing false statements and inflicting emotional pain on Rabbi Levin.

After the original article was printed, Rabbi Levin issued a statement in which he wrote that there was no excuse for abusing animals, halachic or otherwise. He added that workers from a local animal shelter had come to collect the dog from his court room that day.

http://www.thejerusalemlife.com/news/when-a-dog-runs-wild-in-court

So the story was retracted days before you posted it

[dimbear]

22. The story doesn't ring right to me. Jews don't generally believe

in re-incarnation. Or transmigration. Doesn't compute.

[struggle4progress]

24. The story showed several telltale signs of internet fabulism. The ynet link (for example)

says first A Jerusalem rabbinical court recently sentenced a wandering dog to death by stoning; later it says one of the judges sentenced the .. animal to death by stoning; and finally it says one of the court's managers confirmed the report ... "They didn't issue an official ruling, but ordered the children outside to throw stones at him in order to drive him away"

So the author of the given link can't make up his mind whether it's a sentence of death from the Court, a sentence of death from a single judge, or some sort of non-official instruction from several judges to children to drive the dog away with stones. With such quality reporting, one expects Bat Boy and Ed Anger to chime in at any moment

[struggle4progress]

25. ... In Orthodox Judaism, a beth din consists of three observant Jewish men, at least one of whom is

widely knowledgeable in Jewish law .. to be capable of instructing the other members in any matters of halakha relevant to the case being heard.

In practice, a permanent beth din will consist of three rabbis, while a beth din for an occasional matter (such as handling religious vows) need not consist of rabbis. A beth din which handles cases involving complex monetary issues or large community organizations requires "judges" .. who require an additional semicha (yadin yadin) which enables them to participate in such a beth din and adjudicate complex cases involving highly technical points of law.

A beth din is required or preferred for the following matters:

Validation of religious bills of divorce ...
Kosher certification of restaurants and food manufacturers ...
Examination of shochetim and the control of the shechita inspectors
Conversions to Judaism with at least one member of the court being a rabbi who is an expert on the laws of conversion.
Supervising the building and maintenance of a mikvah.
Determination of "personal status" (i.e. whether someone is a Jew according to halakha).
The authorization and supervision of mohelim.
Questions relating to burial practices and mourning.

A beth din is sometimes used within the Orthodox Jewish community to resolve civil disputes ...

Beth din
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beth_din#Present_situation

[ZombieHorde]

27. I did not realize the Jews in Jerusalem were into reincarnation.

Interesting.

I feel really bad for that dog. Religion makes many people do some really strange things.

[Curmudgeoness]

29. My first thought too. nt

[Ian David]

30. Jerusalem rabbis 'condemn dog to death by stoning' story was BS

Jerusalem rabbis 'condemn dog to death by stoning' story was BS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1335607

[struggle4progress]

32. See Saturday's #17:

17. When a dog runs wild in court
16 June 2011
It started June 3 with a Maariv article titled “Meah Shearim: Beit Din Issued Instructions to Stone Dog.” Almost two weeks later, the newspaper retracted its claims ...
http://www.thejerusalemlife.com/news/when-a-dog-runs-wild-in-court
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=214x287323#287424

Later Saturday, I pointed to #17 in my #21 and #23

You really should read your own threads

[Ian David]

33. Thanks! n/t