What if ten million years ago there were hominids like us?

[Boojatta]

They could be here still, sharing the Earth with us. They could have enough to technology to prevent us from detecting them, except when they want to be detected. For example, just as we have built subway systems, they could have built (much more extensive) living spaces underground.

Actions thought to have been performed by angels could have been performed by hominids who belong to a species older than our species.

[rug]

1. Who's really behinf 9/11?

[RevStPatrick]

2. Unfortunately, they were all wiped out...

...when Atlantis sank into the ocean.

[Boojatta]

19. If they stopped causing observable effects in the world ...

then, in geologic terms, it might not have taken long for all trace of them to disappear. However, they might still be here.

200,000 years for all trace of Man to vanish from the Earth

[HysteryDiagnosis]

3. What if the earth isn't 10 million years old and everything you've been told

is at least 50% wrong??

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2011/arch11/110429gradualism2.htm


Thus, the extinction of the dinosaurs is said to have taken place over 135 million years ago. However, the popular notion that the geologic column represents vast periods of time is being questioned by a number of geologists who realize that it most likely results from a series of catastrophic events.

Nicolaus Steno is often said to be the father of geology. His "principle of superposition" influences geologists to this day, even though it was formulated in the late 1600s. In many ways it seems to be completely straight forward, but only now is it recognized that it was not based on experiments but on field observation.

"At the time when any given stratum was being formed, all the matter resting upon it was fluid, and, therefore, at the time when the lower stratum was being formed, none of the upper strata existed."

In February 2000, Guy Berthault wrote a paper in which he described several experiments that analyzed the hydraulic processes involved with sedimentary layering. His conclusions were subsequently published in Lithology and Mineral Resources, Vol. 37, No. 5. Under conditions of constant flow rate and a continuous supply of particles, he discovered that a mixture of coarse and fine particles would separate into thin laminations.

[Boojatta]

4. "the extinction of the dinosaurs is said to have taken place over 135 million years ago"

Said by whom? I heard that it was 65 million years ago.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

5. That's like splitting hares.... I don't know who said it but the basics of this article

are quite startling.

[Warren Stupidity]

9. splitting hares is very messy

but this nonsense is one step away from young earth bullshit.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

11. I love getting responses from people who know everything. I myself profess to

know nothing for certain.

[Warren Stupidity]

12. I profess to following links.

I also confess to having a bullshit meter that fires on a hare trigger, and it is damned hard to get a trigger on a hare. They just won't stand still.

Check out wikipedia here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Talbott and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky.

That is where your thunderbolts young earth nonsense is coming from.

This stuff is absolute bullshit. Just because you aren't a supreme know-it-all like me doesn't mean that you have to roll over and accept utter blather as sound reasoned science.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

13. I believe what I read at Los Alamos National Laboratories, that's what I believe.

[KaoriMitsubishi]

16. Please post links to what you read there.

[TransitJohn]

17. A more than 100% difference is splitting hairs?

No, I don't think so. Also, why are you branching out to spout geologic nonsense, too?

[Warren Stupidity]

6. what if pixies and faeries are real?

and they live in an invisible realm that we can't see and do stuff that explains everything that seems weird and they sneak around and stuff?

Huh?

What then?

[Boojatta]

8. Given some parameters, we know that a species satisfying those parameters arose at least once.

How do we know that it happened at most once?

"It strikes me as odd, and I never previously considered that possibility" isn't a very strong argument in support of the claim that it happened at most once.

[Warren Stupidity]

10. uh no we don't

we are positing imaginary creatures as an answer to 'things we don't understand'. Some of us are "splitting hares" while doing so. Others are claiming people and dinosaurs cohabitated. I am reading a lot of woo-woo nonsense that should make even this forum blush.

[Boojatta]

14. Given these parameters ...

... being fully bipedal, having opposable thumbs, having vocal apparatus and cognitive capacity for articulate speech ...

... at least one species satisfying those parameters arose.

Did exactly one arise or did more than one arise?

The "ten million years" of the thread title is merely an example to lend a bit of concreteness to the "more than one" answer. You could change it to "nine million years", "eleven million years", or some other value without significantly changing the idea.

[Warren Stupidity]

15. more than one arose

Genus Homo
Species
Homo sapiens
†Homo gautengensis
†Homo habilis
†Homo erectus
†Homo antecessor
†Homo ergaster
†Homo heidelbergensis
†Homo neanderthalensis
†Homo floresiensis

at least one of those, our old pals neanderthalensis cohabited with us for a while. The time frame is 2-4 m. years.
We are off of the Hominini branch there with our cousins in Pan known as the chimps. There are no secret people living underground.

[Boojatta]

21. "The time frame is 2-4 m. years."

That's a big range. Unless I have made an arithmetical error, a time interval of two million years consists of a hundred intervals of twenty thousand years, with no overlap among the intervals. Twenty thousand years is enough time to develop a lot of science and technology if a species is making scientific and technological progress.

There are no secret people living underground.

How did you arrive at that conclusion? Are you assuming that human beings are the most advanced hominid species?

[Warren Stupidity]

23. "How did you arrive at that conclusion? "

If you want to make extraordinary claims it is up to you to provide *SOME* evidence. Absent that evidence I am fine with my assertion that there are no secret people living underground, no tooth fairy, no santa claus, no grey haired sky being, no alien visitors etc.

[Boojatta]

24. Can you quote where I make in this thread what you see as an extraordinary claim?

Do you ever start with some assumptions and deduce a contradiction? No conceivable evidence can support a contradictory scenario. How does consideration of a hypothetical scenario commit me to the claim that the scenario is true ... or even possible?

[Drale]

7. They are called the Ancients or the Alterians

and they evolved so much they learned to turn their physical bodies into pure energy. They are horrible arrogant and kind of look at use the way we look at bugs now.

[spin]

30. Let's hope they intervene when we start throwing nuclear weapons ...

around.

[Boojatta]

31. Ex-Air Force Personnel: UFOs Deactivated Nukes

Given that UFOs are unidentified, they could be from the Earth, underground.

Events of 1967 in Montana were news in 2010

[spin]

32. I remember reading about that incident ...

if an advanced civilization were living underground, they probably would be upset if we had a large scale nuclear war. I would certainly hope that they would intervene.

[TransitJohn]

18. We used to call them the First People until we found out they were really Walter

[frogmarch]

20. Bigfoot mystery solved! nt

[chrisa]

22. Maybe they're all wearing extremely effective invisibility cloaks

:)

[Angry Dragon]

25. That would be the Mole Men as shown in the movies

I believe the Bible speaks of visitors......... not sure of the book

[LuvNewcastle]

27. Are you speaking of the visitors in the

Sodom and Gomorrah story? I think they were angels, supposedly sent by God. People have compared the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah to modern nuclear events. Later, the angels became two of the main characters in the movie "Dogma."

[Boojatta]

26. .

:kick:

[deacon_sephiroth]

28. What if it was me

Like, I've been alive forever and I use my incredible X-men like mental powers to create occurances, because without stuff it would be boring and I've used technology (the internet) to make sure you couldn't see me. It will take some tiem to erase all traces of my presence. (because my seat has an ass-groove that will NEVER go away)

[muriel_volestrangler]

29. Then they'd be a bunch of nutters

What hominid would choose to live entirely underground, when access to the surface gives you the environment you evolved to live in (eg sunlight and your food)?

[Boojatta]

33. Who would choose to live in a closed system ...

such as one designed to research ecological systems, or to sustain life during a manned, interstellar space flight?

http://www.b2science.org/

[muriel_volestrangler]

34. Research and exploration is different from removing the entire species from its environment

Research and exploration have a purpose; hiding underground to remove all trace of the entire population wouldn't.

[struggle4progress]

35. And what if they had bottled electricity in convenient one gallon jugs and buried

the bottles under what is now a chocolate factory and the bottles were leaking electricity and all the chocolate bars were becoming electrified and gigantic lightning bolts were shooting out everywhere as unsuspecting people opened their chocolate bars and the lightning bolts were hitting schools and making them radioactive so mutant children were terrorizing the countryside?

[Tyrs WolfDaemon]

36. Crap, we've been found out!

Well, I guess this means I can go home now.
I wonder what Freya has planned for dinner.