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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:15 AM Original message |
Roger Ebert is a Fundamentalist Atheist? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
1. He's just a plain old atheist. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Aren't we all. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
13. Yep, no such animal as fundie atheist. nt |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. Even the religious are 99.99999% atheist when it comes to other gods. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Actually, he's a Catholic |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
3. I hit unrec. by mistake...please make that a rec... |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Recc'ed for you n/t |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
4. He's not one of the "big three" that apparantly us atheists "worship" |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Losing his voice |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
7. I would say he is just a regular, run-of-the-mill, freethinking non-beleiever. |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Here's the point though |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. I know. I see legitimate criticism of religion painted as "intolerance." |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. "Legitimate criticism of religion" is not intolerance, nor is legitimate criticism |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. No, |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 10:14 AM Response to Reply #8 |
24. That's fair enough |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Perhaps, but in THIS case, people DID think it was a true miracle... |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I guess |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. You are right about that. We ALL were impressed with that collective, HUMAN effort. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
10. Absolutely not: "One can sympathize with those who called it a miracle ..." |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I would agree it is based on reason |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. His essay did not mock anyone's belief. Your single sentence does. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. But I sympathized? |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Please explain why what Mr. Ebert said is fine |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Ebert's article is fine with me because it is written in a reasonable, adult tone. |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Hmm. I don't agree with everything Dawkins says... |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 08:27 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Whether or not Dawkins ever makes logical points is not the issue. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Except that theology |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Theology has been - and still is - a legitimate field of study since before the dawn of the ... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. How do you figure that? |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. A general knowledge of western history and of current programs at universities. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Cop-out. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I think perhaps that the point he is trying to make |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Which ones? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. There seems to be quite a few. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 07:33 AM Response to Reply #35 |
46. You're just showing your ignorance of the issue. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 07:48 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. A university course on a subject does not confer legitimacy. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 07:56 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. It's not "a" university course. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 08:28 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. If it's so universal, why do so many people disagree with you? |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Disagree with me? A few people on a message board are disagreeing with established opinion ... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 08:47 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Still a fallacy, and still an ad hom against those who question you. n/t |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #51 |
63. He's played his trump card already. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. A one-eyed jack is no match for a king. n/t |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
107. I would think that theology is every bit as legitimate an area of study |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #107 |
115. 2 things: |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Please tell us, then |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. You're going to be waiting a long, long time for an answer to that one. n/t |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. I ask the same question every time |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 07:47 AM Response to Reply #36 |
47. "Objective knowledge" - is that the criteria for a subject to be legitimate? |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #47 |
83. That's it? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. I have never understood how a field that has yet to prove its most basic premise |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. " I have never understood..." seems to be an expression oft used |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:56 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Translate that to mean |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:01 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. Stop encouraging him. He will just start up on the "militant atheists" nonsense again. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #45 |
64. Translation: When someone says "I have never understood...", |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. The Non-Overlapping Magesteria Argument has been and will always be crap. n/t |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Yeah but its acronym is a funny Internet meme. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Which is how I know that no one in the National Organization for Marriage is very bright. n/t |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 07:53 AM Response to Reply #37 |
49. Is M-Theory a legitimate field of study? - n/t |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 08:34 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. That's a false analogy, and I think you know that. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Does it follow the scientific method? |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. The premises of M-Theory are untestable - so is the basic premise of theology. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Still a false analogy. n/t |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Again, I do not know very much about it. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Your statement in post #37 is that you don't understand how a field of study ... |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. It has rigorous, proven mathematical methods behind it |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Proven mathematical methods were not the criteria raised in post #37. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Let's put it this way |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 08:53 AM Response to Reply #77 |
85. But no mathematical theorem has proven the M-theory. That is |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 10:42 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. He doesn't want to stay on topic. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #49 |
69. Theology *wishes* it had as much backing it up as M-theory does. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. You have just proven my point stated in #64. I would expect no more from you. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Did someone say something? n/t |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Exactly. nt |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. What? n/t |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Hold up a second! |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. He did indeed. |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
11. Here's Roger Ebert on his religious views. |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
22. K&R |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 04:05 AM Response to Original message |
44. Meh. Many people were joyfully surprised by the unexpected success |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #44 |
57. So you agree then? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. A few nights back, I stood in my urban yard to listen to an owl high in a tree. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Verbosity cannot hide the truth, |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Well, I'm sorry you daily hear things said that you disagree with |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Your sarcasm is noted, as is your double standard. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Dude, get a frickin grip. I grew up in deep wingnut country. From elementary |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. A few things: |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. dupe |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
86. An actual miracle with the Chilean miners would have been |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. You shoulda heard Fundie radio on the Chilean rescue. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Imagine them not extolling the virtues of atheism on Christian radio. Go figure. And |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. So are you saying that religion and science are mutually exclusive? |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. I'm not sure where you think that question was even intimated or addressed here. And |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. OK, Follow along here because apparently this is confusing to you: |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 03:45 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. To know as much as he does about the program, I think it is |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. So you have given up on the science/religion |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. I never mentioned it once. It came from your keyboard and that's |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Let me remind you |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 05:00 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. So where in there did I mention it? I mentioned the post, not |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 06:54 AM Response to Reply #99 |
112. I've asked for your explanation of what you meant several times. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 09:43 AM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Deleted message |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Hey, Hector Projector, who has dementia? |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. So, I will ask you. Where in that statement is the question |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. I don't believe I ever said I asked a questions. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. "stop faining being obtuse and acting like you don't know..." |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. Actually, bum, it's writing that we're doing here, not speaking. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. Nice red herring. Yes, please, let's micro-manage language conventions. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Deleted message |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. I'm sorry I missed the reply |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. Oh, by all means, let's feign innocence here. I too would like to |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. The last person I alerted on |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. I believe you. nt |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #90 |
95. Hey, you finally got to use it! MILITANT ATHEIST! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Deleted message |
cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. Name calling. How childish, yet expected. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Um, how often am I referred to as "bumble" around here? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Thats right, you did do it again. On purpose. Thats why you got deleted. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. You have a particular way of avoiding open debate. Your standard |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 09:33 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Perhaps thats the way YOU see it from your point of view |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. You just proved my point. nt |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. OH, you had a point? |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 09:54 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. You continue to prove it. nt |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 08:55 AM Response to Reply #111 |
113. No, I continue to laugh! |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. I'll bet you really yuk it up when someone mentions nazis, don't you? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #118 |
124. Only if they are militant atheist nazis. |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 01:34 AM Response to Reply #88 |
92. As usual, that's not what I said. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. " 'Regular listener?' Not really, just a sometime listener." |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. OK, now try to pay attention... |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 08:42 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. So you just occasionally listen to it often. Got it. nt |
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