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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 08:44 PM Original message |
Poll question: Can a Conservative Extremist be a PRACTICING Christian? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. I voted other because I believe a conservative can be perfect at both. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 09:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Same here. |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #1 |
54. Just like they like to take just the parts of Constitution that suits them. |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. Proud to click "no" #7, 54% n/t |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
3. I chose yes. |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
4. Delete - Dupe |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
5. Voted other. The question is far too narrow. |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
6. I think your completely wrong... |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
57. Good post Imajika. But why do they support war over helping people? |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 08:51 PM Response to Reply #57 |
82. On a long and winding mountain road |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
79. Well said n/t |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
7. No. See graphic. (pic) |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
96. And he introduced the concept of eternal punishment for the thought crime... |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:42 AM Response to Reply #7 |
109. Thank you for that awesome picture! |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
8. Christian in name only |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
10. Those of you voting "no" should research the No True Scotsman fallacy, |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. The author of the thread gave very specific conditions you have ignored. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. It's still a fallacy. |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. No True Scotsman doesn't apply. Jesus had very specific |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Does it? |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. And if you found 10 people who thought "dog" meant "cat", |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I'm going to refer you to #23 at this point, |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 02:53 AM Response to Reply #27 |
38. You are missing the point. Notice that ALL of the definitions |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #38 |
52. So claim they are a bad Christian, don't say they aren't a Christian in the first place... |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 06:51 PM Response to Reply #38 |
76. That's flat-out wrong. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Indeed. "Christian" means what we say it means, too. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. And yet those people you so adamantly dislike fit definition #1, and are therefore Christian. n/t |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 09:24 AM Response to Reply #28 |
50. Since when have non-Christians expected anything from Christians... |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #28 |
58. Absolutely TexasObserver |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #58 |
78. Have you ever drawn/painted a picture, or made a sculpture? |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:30 AM Response to Reply #78 |
112. Ever wonder why God would have a book written so vague and full of holes? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #112 |
118. That's a lot of words to dodge my question. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #18 |
48. Using that as a definition, people who never heard of Jesus end up being Christian... |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #48 |
114. Amen to that! And you don't need million dollar churches to be good or do what's right. |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
72. That's one of the funniest things I ever read. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 05:35 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. They were arguing before the gospels were written; 'a millennium and a half' is far too generous |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
75. Was Paul a Christian? |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. No, it isn't. You have an opinion on the topic. It's not shared by many. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Research the fallacy. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Repeating adamantly your point doesn't make it valid. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. As I said, opinion doesn't enter into it, even if it's my opinion. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. It is your opinion and only your opinion. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. That is entirely false. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Now you're deluding yourself. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Who's delusional here? |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 07:29 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. You, because you think you own the word and can define it. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
63. You're the one, among others, attempting to use definitions to exclude people, not me. |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 01:10 AM Response to Reply #42 |
86. Oh Texas…..What you don’t understand is |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #32 |
60. Dictionaries list usages, not just actual definitions. NT |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 03:04 AM Response to Reply #23 |
39. I know the NTS metaphor quite well, which is why I can say with |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 05:49 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. The problem is, who gets to decide what that Christian philosophy is? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
64. +1 n/t |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #40 |
84. Didn't you read his comment? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
65. Apparently not, for it is not primarily a metaphor, but a logical fallacy. |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
34. No shit. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. You would think so, and yet...n/t |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
66. For those of you repeatedly arguing, let me try a customized example. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #66 |
83. Stop making Christians acknowledge that there are shitheads in their religion! |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 08:23 AM Response to Reply #83 |
89. Actually, I think a standard Christian view is that everyone is a shithead sometimes |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #89 |
98. Theory and practice sometimes differ. n/t |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Or even often differ. But, of course, that is expected by the traditional doctrine |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. You mean the traditional doctrines of attainder and corruption of blood? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. No, I don't mean attainder and corruption of blood, but you know that: |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. For whom, Superman? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. It was quite clear: |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #108 |
113. My #99 makes clear enough a view that perhaps "original sin" is simply the fact that we are all |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. Tying it to instinct doesn't make it any better, that's the point. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Your approach to this subject is irremediably that of the Fundamentalists |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 05:30 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. I don't share their views either, so discussion is only impossible if you refuse to particpate. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
97. agreed. nt |
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raouldukelives (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
11. Practice makes perfect? |
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Curmudgeoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
14. Voted no, because just believing in Christ is not enough. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 08:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
44. Uhm, you aren't a Christian, indeed, you render the term meaningless... |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
15. No. Conservative extremism + religious fundamentalism = Taliban. |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
16. To their personal definition of "practicing Christian", absolutely. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
17. Chistianity has terribly low standards for what is "acceptable" |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
19. I like you, so I'm not going to respond. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
20. They can follow all the Christian rules and be as conservative extremist. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
33. I'm gonna second the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. |
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Vampire Knight (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #33 |
90. That old canard? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Oh really? |
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Vampire Knight (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. I do think so. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. You really need to research the question, then. |
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Vampire Knight (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. Even if you don't believe in |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. None of those people |
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Blue For You (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-26-10 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
37. Abrahamic religions have no problem with conservative extremists. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 07:02 AM Response to Original message |
41. Absolutely... |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
43. Uhm, yes, because Jesus' beliefs and actions are up for interepretation... |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. That is not what Jesus said. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 08:53 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Its self identification, and nothing more... |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 09:02 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. In your mind, only, not in reality. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 09:26 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Uhm, its not my version, its the version used by census takers in many different countries... |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 09:31 AM Original message |
Many are called, but few are chosen. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
45. Their way of explaining it is that they are against the government being |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #45 |
59. A family member said if a person wore jewelry to an ER room they shouldn't get health care. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
53. Yes. Exactly like |
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Vampire Knight (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
55. Assumptions: |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
56. A good question, although it's hard to find the info |
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Vampire Knight (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. If He wanted socialism, |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Oh, not really. None of us knows what the guy was up to. |
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Vampire Knight (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Not so much. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Yep, but they were armed to begin with nevertheless. |
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Vampire Knight (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. It's entirely possible. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. They've missed a lot of points for a long, long, time, |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #62 |
92. Whoever told you liberals love the "Twilight" series... |
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Vampire Knight (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #92 |
122. You're clueless. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
61. "... they condemn everything Jesus stood for." |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
69. NO TRUE SCOTSMAN FALLACY!!! |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
71. Of course they can be. There are a lot more on the right practicing Christianity than on the left. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
80. 2/3 at DU agree: "No, their conservative beliefs are exact opposites of Jesus' teachings." |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
81. My, what broad brushstrokes you have |
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Vampire Knight (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-27-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. "Not every far-right person |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 03:36 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Thanks. n/t |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
88. Don't judge, or you'll be judged too. For as you judge others, you yourself |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 06:33 PM Response to Reply #88 |
103. +1 for a perfect illustration of hypocrisy by the OP. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 07:40 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. tu quoque |
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EvolveOrConvolve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #88 |
104. I don't agree with you often, but I definitely agree with this |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:46 AM Response to Reply #104 |
110. I just self-identified myself as a brain surgeon. :) |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:50 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. If that was the definition of brain surgeon, then you'd be right. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #104 |
121. Haven't you people read the bad-ass, cruel Jesus quotes??? |
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Leontius (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #88 |
116. Why do some people seem to fear judging and judgement? nt |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-28-10 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
95. Yes. nt |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
120. Lots of True Scottsmen here. |
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jdp349 (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
123. Believing in the divinity of Jesus is all that's required to be a christian |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. Many self-styled Christians on this site don't believe Jesus was divine |
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125. It isn't a religious identification then |
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