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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:12 AM
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New Vatican campaign to clamp down on 'liberal opinion'
By John Cooney
Monday June 07 2010
VATICAN investigators to Ireland appointed by Pope Benedict XVI are to clamp down on liberal secular opinion in an intensive drive to re-impose traditional respect for clergy, according to informed sources in the Catholic Church.

The nine-member team led by two cardinals will be instructed by the Vatican to restore a traditional sense of reverence among ordinary Catholics for their priests, the Irish Independent has learned.

Priests will be told not to question in public official church teaching on controversial issues such as the papal ban on birth control or the admission of divorced Catholics living with new partners to the sacraments -- especially Holy Communion.

Theologians will be expected to teach traditional doctrine by constantly preaching to lay Catholics of attendance at Mass and to return to the practice of regular confession, which has been largely abandoned by adults since the 1960s.

An emphasis will be placed on an evangelisation campaign to overcome the alienation of young people scandalised by the spate of sexual abuse of children and by later cover-ups of paedophile clerics by leaders of the institutional church.

A major thrust of the Vatican investigation will be to counteract materialistic and secularist attitudes, which Pope Benedict believes have led many Irish Catholics to ignore church disciplines and become lax in following devotional practices such as going on pilgrimages and doing penance.

Liberal Catholics suck - The Pope
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:17 AM
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1. Oh yeah, THAT'S the way to go.
It's worked SO well for them in the past.

NOT.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:18 AM
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2. So how do you say "fucking retards" in Latin?
:puke:
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Betty Karlson Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 03:02 AM
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15. The equivalent is: "Caudices Vagantes"
(Not a literal translation, though - sex was only used as a slur to women)

Oh, the RC Church is at it again. Just as in Portugal, all non-Roman thought is imposed just when the country is having a bit of rough economic weather. Any guesses what this will do to sectarian violence in Northern Ireland?
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Betty Karlson Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 11:37 AM
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16. * imposed? * I meant * Imposed upon *.
Sorry about that - not a native speaker here.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:23 AM
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3. Good. This sickening institution will continue to shrink...
Edited on Sun Jun-13-10 12:24 AM by CoffeeCat
Let them be myopic, foolish idiots. Let them issue these demands
that priests just shut up and don't ever question these stupid
rules--that are about as bizarre as it gets.

The Catholic Church doesn't want anyone questioning or thinking.
Just keep the birth control away, and have babies and more babies--even
if you can't afford them or are done having children. But don't
question it. You should just do what the pedo-enabling Pope tells
you to do.

This sick institution gets more absurd every day. And they will
continue to lose parishioners and fewer people will become priests.

That's a good thing.
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:24 AM
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4.  I don't think you can restore "reverence" for the priests.
The whole world knows that priests have diddled young boys, and that the church hierarchy actively conspired to cover it all up. This does nothing but show that catholic priests are human like everyone else. Why should we revere a group of people who do nothing but try to impose limits on what you can and cannot do with your mind and your body?

Q3JR4.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:26 AM
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5. Good luck with that.
How does the Church enforce a clamp down on liberal secular opinion? What does that look like? Does the Pope take off his Prava shoe and pound it on the table screaming "We will bury you!"?

I can only see this as something that will drive even more people away from the Church.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:34 AM
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6. Be worthy of respect, and the faithful will be more than happy to deliver
Be unworthy of respect, and...well, the evidence surrounds you, gentlemen.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:45 AM
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7. maybe the true reformation is coming at last, rebellion agains the papacy nt
Edited on Sun Jun-13-10 12:45 AM by msongs
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:46 AM
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8. No amount of PR will get this former sheep's butt back in the pews.
You can count on that.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 12:48 AM
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9. Biggy Rat is not exactly a student of history, I see.
Stifling dissent always backfires.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 07:15 AM
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10. The "bone headed beat" goes on and on. Same terrible results
for innocent people. When is the human race going to wise up to this perpetual con game?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 07:21 AM
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11. The Vatican is losing several battles on more than one subject.
It is the traditional doctrine which has helped weaken the Vatican's hold on its adherents across the world.

I'm not seeing how "going on pilgrimages" is going to reverse the decline of influence of the Vatican on individual Irish Catholics' spiritual lives. If the Vatican really wants to regain some influence in everyday people's lives it can reconsider its ridiculous prohibition on ordaining women. No, I do not expect that to happen. But it should happen.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 10:54 AM
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12. ...re-impose traditional respect for clergy...
Well, as long as they don't break the skin.
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 11:48 AM
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13. For some reason, this came into me noggin...
The floggings will continue until morale improves.

:wtf:
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 11:49 AM
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14. Ga! Perfect! nt
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