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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 10:47 AM Original message |
The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger, by Chris Hedges |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
1. All too true. :^( |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. America, Fascism, And God: Sermons from a Heretical Preacher |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Bookmarked that for reading later, thanks! |
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Interloper (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
2. Leftist ridicule does not help |
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BadgerKid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Nice generalization you got there. n/t |
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arbusto_baboso (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Except, all those things ARE true of Christians. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
35. I think you just proved his point. nt |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #35 |
56. If his point is that it is wrong to point out ignorance, selfishness, and hypocrisy, |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. I think you just proved it once more. nt |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Wow. Not much for that whole 'reading comprehension' thing, are ya? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. I'm surprised he hasn't brought up Stalin yet. n/t |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-15-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #60 |
101. Childish taunt. |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. RE: their "believing in laughable pseudoscience", specifically the 6000 year old |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. +1 |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Why is it we're always the ones who are supposed to shut up |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. The 'One Should Never Discuss Politics Or Religion In Public' meme favors The Few over The Many |
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bobburgster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #12 |
50. Amen....oops, good post |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #2 |
18. At least we don't believe people with different beliefs will burn in Hell. -nt |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
23. Yes, by all means |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
26. Is your name Rumpelstiltskin? Are you unaware of the Dominionists? |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 08:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. Hedges is anti-authoritarian, he can spot them however they're cloaked. Good spotting Hitchens.nt |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
100. Thanks for those summaries! Hitchens has always given me the creeps... |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
31. Welcome to DU. We have a lot of "leftists" here--maybe not the best place to use that as a slur |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Not all leftists ridicule others for their beliefs. Many and maybe |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 12:39 AM Response to Reply #37 |
45. Yup. Can't go around bashing fascists, now, can we... |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 03:24 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Well, given the record of organized atheism over the past century or so, |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 08:31 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. You still haven't made that case, |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. Speaking of unfounded and irrational beliefs... |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Where did i say atheism leads to fascism? But the number and |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. For a moment, I was going to give you the BOTD... then I read the body of your post. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Well, Let's see |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. All of which detail the deaths of people killed by Communists. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Fail... on just the first hurdle. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 09:43 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Proof positive as far as I'm concerned. Those sources tell the story |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Oh my, why that's a terrible litany of names. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. You seem to want to put words in my mouth, I merely said |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Not at all. I asked you a question. It was a fairly simple one; |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Well, i think I did answer your first question and that wasn't it, so |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 12:25 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. That is one of the most intellectually bankrupt and dishonest arguments you have offered to date. nt |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 03:01 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. I am glad you are able to take a group of people |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. One does not just lightly dismiss and try to justify these events when |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. No one is attempting justification. Nice red herring. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. You do not appear to know what a 'strawman' argument is. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. First of all, Hitler was an amalgum of several things. He was baptised a |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. No Christian church can be a force for atheism. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Don't you just love it when idiots hang themselves out to dry for the world to see? n/t |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 06:53 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. What bumble cannot grasp, that I was hoping to lead him to, |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 09:37 AM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Actually the purpose of wiping out religion was to establish a |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #85 |
89. So when various US politicians push and use Christianity in the exact same way, |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. You have been asked questions and have deliberately avoided them. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. I think I have answered about every question you have asked, but |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. No, you didn't. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I'll stand on what I've already written. whatever you want to do with it |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. And fall off that house of cards onto your foolish grin. n/t |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. So you can't even point to your own answers. That's no surprise, |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Get a grip on reality Doc and quit being a victim. There are |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 08:50 AM Response to Reply #78 |
83. The classical Marxists would have laughed out loud at your view: |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. I'm sure they would have. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. The word is; "amalgam". I know... your browser does not check the subject line. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #77 |
82. I am not aware of evidence Hitler actually knew much about Nietzsche. It is |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 09:19 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. On the contrary in 'The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich' |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. That, of course, is not necessarily the same as reading the philosopher. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Yes, but there is also much evidence that Hitler studied Nietzsche |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Where? n/t |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-10-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #87 |
91. It would be wrong to suggest that Nietzsche was the only philosopher studied by |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 07:11 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. "If you support acts of ridicule and bigotry then chances are you will see some amount of backlash." |
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ChadwickHenryWard (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
32. Chris Hedges is VERY religious. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. A DU staple. |
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ChadwickHenryWard (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 12:55 AM Response to Reply #36 |
71. It's really hard to take Hedges seriously |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #32 |
46. self delete |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 07:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
39. And yet it is okay for the Christian right to ridicule the left |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
40. ridicule of leftists doesn't help either. |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
66. Leftist?...Been here long? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
3. Scary and true |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
8. The radical Christian Right, is, without a doubt, the most dangerous terroris threat to this country |
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Stevenmarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
10. If you are following Christ's teaching then you are a Christian, which means.... |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. Damnit, I had 11 in the No True Scotsman pool. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-09-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #22 |
74. Heck, I had 3. |
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soleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
14. We've already had our Reichstag Fire |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. All by design |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
15. These people are busy embedding themselves in the police, military, and national security |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Pentagon Sued Over Mandatory Christianity/Military Evangelism Deeper, Wider Than First Thought |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
38. They started in local school boards and campus crusade for |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
19. we already got the memo three weeks ago in Sunday school.... |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
20. Yikes |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
21. And *of course* this was moved simply b/c it deals w/religion |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Indeed. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. It's gotten so obvious here at DU |
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Spheric (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. This is so wrong. |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
27. I just finished reading Empire of Illusion. Highly recommend it. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
29. Hedges is a good, rousing writer; but he offers no real alternative here. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Politically, of course, we really ought to track the political right |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I'm really opposed to tracking people because of their political beliefs. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. I'm really not talking about tracking ordinary people with no political power, |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
41. K&R |
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lordsummerisle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
42. k&r n/t |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-07-10 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
44. . |
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lib_wit_it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
51. Being an atheist and a liberal and vehemently opposed to the unmistakable fascism of the RW, |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
52. Did you hear Pelosi the other day spouting her christian beliefs? |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-08-10 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
53. These are VERY dangerous people. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-13-10 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
99. Fascinating - and shows why "reaching out" to people like Rick Warren... |
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