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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:25 AM
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Pope Says Gay Marriage Threat To Creation
Edited on Tue Jan-12-10 05:30 AM by DeSwiss
Pope Says Gay Marriage Threat To Creation

Philip Pullella
VATICAN CITY
Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:10am EST


VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict on Tuesday linked the Church's opposition to gay marriage to concern about the environment, suggesting that laws undermining "the differences between the sexes" were threats to creation. The pope made his comments in an address to diplomats in his yearly assessment of world events. The main theme of the address was the environment and the protection of creation.

"To carry our reflection further, we must remember that the problem of the environment is complex; one might compare it to a multifaceted prism," he said. "Creatures differ from one another and can be protected, or endangered, in different ways, as we know from daily experience. One such attack comes from laws or proposals which, in the name of fighting discrimination, strike at the biological basis of the difference between the sexes," he said.

"I am thinking, for example, of certain countries in Europe or North and South America," he said. This was a clear reference to legislation either enacted or proposed in several part of the world. Last month, Mexico City became the first capital in Catholic Latin America to allow same-sex marriage. In California, the U.S. state's ban on gay marriage goes to trial on Monday in a federal case that plaintiffs hope to take all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court and overturn bans throughout the nation.

Gay marriage is legal is several U.S. states and some European countries. "Yet freedom cannot be absolute, since man is not God, but the image of God, God's creation. For man, the path to be taken cannot be determined by caprice or willfulness, but must rather correspond to the structure willed by the Creator," he said. In his speech to diplomats from more than 170 countries, the pope repeated the themes of his message for the Church's World Day of Peace on January 1, which said industrialized nations must recognize their responsibility for the environmental crisis, shed their consumerism and embrace more sober lifestyles.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60A2XX20100111?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FworldNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+International%29">MORE

- The only thing gay marriage is a threat to is your old ass and all those funny hat-wearing wags of yours, who genuflect at your command. Because your scam would be over and you know it, you old fart. Well, you can holler and whine all you want but that day is coming anyhow. The lie of religion is falling apart at its tattered seams.

One would have thought any comments you'd be making right now would be directly to the victims of your sexually abusive priests from Ireland rather than scrambling around trying to save your old Nazi ass from its deserved fate. So suck it Pimpster......

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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 05:55 AM
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1. And Jews created the plague. And the Reformation caused....
... the Lisbon earthquake.

But that's small potatoes. Gays actually threaten creation itself.

Oooohhhh. Cool.

Heady stuff.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 07:08 AM
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2. Hey, Catholics, LEAVE THE CHURCH
find someplace that doesn't suck. Don't give me the crap about how your local parish is liberal. Or your diocese is great. Or blah, blah, blah. THIS is what the church thinks. This is the dogma of the RCC. Stop giving your money and the power of numbers to this piece of crap. LEAVE. Take your money somewhere that supports your point of view.

Unbelievable.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 08:47 AM
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5. Why? He has no authority on legislation.
Unlike here, where people who do have the authority to pass the legislation but won't.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:06 AM
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6. He is THE authority in the Catholic Church
He is the face of the church. What he says, goes. If you don't think that a significant amount of time and effort from the RCC goes into halting gay marriage legislation, you are kidding yourself. If you give money to your local RCC, you are supporting this stance. If you are a member of an RCC parish, they will talk about how many RCCs there are and that adds weight to their argument.

How anyone can stay a Catholic after the pedophile cover ups, their stance on women's rights, and their stance on gay marriage is beyond me. (And before anyone starts who doesn't know me, I was RCC for many years and went to a high school seminary.)
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 03:47 PM
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12. Much the same can be said about the Democratic and Republican parties.
"What he says, goes" does not apply whatsoever to legislation. Sorry you had a bad experience with the Church.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 04:35 PM
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13. Wow
Not every atheist has a god-shaped hole in their heart created by a bad experience with their specific church. I had a great experience with the church. Very fond memories of my time in the seminary. Still in touch with many of my friends after these 20+ years (some of them actually priests). Sorry to not fit into your atheist mold.

What the Pope says about Catholicism DOES go. Are you seriously trying to tell me that the RCC has not had an impact on legislation in this country? Why was abortion illegal?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 04:41 PM
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15. Then you missed something along the way.
Impacting legislation is a world away from "What he says, goes". He can try to impact legislation all he wants. So can we. Glad you had a good experience with the Church.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:30 PM
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21. My points have been pretty consistant
but let me spell it out more clearly:

1. The Pope is the leader of the Catholic church and what he says, FOR CATHOLICS, goes.
2. The RCC has been very effective at impacting legislation in this country.

Notice that the phrase "What he says, goes" is in #1 and NOT #2. That was on purpose. That's the way it has been above, too.
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WVRICK13 Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 07:14 AM
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3. Oh Boy
glad I recovered from that cult at an early age.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 08:25 AM
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4. Gay marriage is a threat to creation?
Edited on Tue Jan-12-10 08:55 AM by trotsky
But pedophile priests are to be protected and given fresh victims.

And this guy claims to have some kind of moral authority or even relevance? Give me a fucking break.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:25 PM
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18. The priests aren't trying to marry the kids...
It makes all the difference.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 11:13 AM
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7. Where are our "liberal christians" to denounce this?
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Sal316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 03:12 PM
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10. Over the last 3 years....
...the American Catholic demographic has had the greatest increase in support for gay marriage over any other denomination. It has swung from 2-1 against to, depending on the poll, evenly split or a slight majority support marriage equality. (polling from 2006-2009). It appears that the the RCC, in the US, is now predominately liberal on this issue.

Plus, you'll find strong support for things like ordination of women and married priests. It's the holdovers from "the good ol' days" that oppose these changes.

So, I'm not sure what your point is here, except an attempt to rouse the rabble.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 04:36 PM
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14. If by "holdovers" you mean
the leadership of the church, i.e. the infallible one himself, then you are correct. One would (correctly in my opinion) make the argument that those who support gay marriage and ordination of women are the ones that are not the "true" catholics.
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Sal316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 07:47 PM
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16. Then you'd be guilty of a logical fallacy. eom
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:28 PM
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20. Did you not see the quotation marks around "true"?
Do you know what the uses of quotation marks are? It was a satirical jab at what seemed to be YOUR implication that the Pope wasn't a true Catholic. I thought I heard a whooshing sound.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:43 PM
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19. My point is that the so-called "liberal christians" are a small and ineffective minority
Religion is a mechanism to control people (which I feel is different from faith, but thats another debate).

IMO, the "liberal christians" in this country should do MORE, yes MORE, to take control of their religion from the majority that use it to oppress and justify hate.
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sixstrings75 Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 02:43 PM
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8. The pope is not a 'real' catholic anyway - or 'real' christian...


There. That solves that.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 03:07 PM
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9. You forgot the sarcasm thingy
:sarcasm:

There.
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Laura902 Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 03:19 PM
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11. I wonder what the catholic church would think if they realized
homosexuality occurs in nature in many other of "god's creations".
They'd probably condemn them too.
:shrug:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 09:24 PM
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17. STFU, Ratzi the Nazi.
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ChadwickHenryWard Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 10:46 PM
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22. Wow.
Just wow. That's low, even for the RCC. They continue to dredge new depths of moral wrongness. I'm in awe.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 11:25 AM
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23. .
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:21 PM
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24. Gibberish.
Because Ratzi thinks up a convoluted argument to support his case and believes he has the absolute right to impose his dogmas on the entire world, we're supposed to take him seriously.

Bullshit.

Just because you were elected pope (not by the members of your church, but by a bunch of crusty old bachelors like yourself), you don't get to force your will on those who have not voluntarily placed themselves under your thumb. You do not get to dictate law outside of your little city.

The Holy Roman Empire died a long time ago, Ratzi. Stick to bossing your own sheep around and leave the rest of us alone.

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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:46 PM
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25. This post made my day
The old cross dresser forgot about all his priests who regularly molest little choir boys and the thousands of dollars his church spends worldwide to keep it quiet.

STFU, Pope.




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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 02:10 PM
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26. The nazi Pope is a threat to Creation, as is the Hitler loving Pope Pius XII
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