But if we can agree that religious belief is a delusion, one that can only been established and maintained based upon one's faith and one's ability to ignore the facts and reality. Or at least agree that these stories are a realistically impossible set of fantasy tales. Not to mention that we can prove that many of those tales are far older than either Christianity, Judaism or Islam, then on top everything else they not only didn't happen to their prophets of old the way they are told in their texts, but they've been stolen from the histories of others more ancient than their own. Then it follows that those who are willing to accept information as true, even in the absence of any evidence to support it, and in the face of this knowledge of their religion's phony pedigree, it at least suggests that someone has some sort of mental perception problems at the least. And sometimes those problems can border on stark. And raving. And mad (see Religious Fundamentalism, any kind will do). Those are the facts and the history.
And it's why I stopped debating (arguing) with religionists some time ago. Religionists believe that they NEED their religion. It's visceral and real to them, although they cannot always say exactly why. It has much to do with emotions and personal life-points (baptisms, christenings, weddings, meeting the first, second or third husband/wives, that sort of thing), that are unique and wonderful or terribly sad for them. And I can understand how that connection can happen. It doesn't alter the reality of it being a farce, but some people, like me, can move on once the scales of duplicity and deceit have fallen from their eyes. Others are only blinded by the new light, and will never be able to do so, because the very idea of moving on feels more like abandonment of the things they hold most dear.
Over the years, many of the things I've heard people say that they gain(ed) from religion, have never thought it is even possible that they could get those same feelings and benefits without the dogma in other ways. The connection they feel they need with "The Other." And while they may hate all of the religious prejudice they see, and the division that their religion's still perpetrates, they also refuse to see (or admit) that religions need to be able cull-out its own territory in this way. To divide up the sheep, as it were. But just as the religions aren't usually "directly" responsible for all the wars in our history (although in many of them they were the sole instigators), the lines they drew in the sands with blood long ago bought them license to condemn their detractors and enemies (at least they can't burn us at the stake anymore - without a fight), so they no longer require a direct hand to cause lesser conflicts anymore (see abortion issues and gay rights). Religion has become a holy cause in and of itself -- with or without a god. Which always makes talking religion with anyone anywhere a dicey prospect at best.
And even though I am not intentionally trying to be disrespectful of religionists (although I'll admit at this point that it ain't always easy not to - see I can confess too), many will take what I have said as an insult to their beliefs simply because they feel its fine for me not to believe what they believe, they'd just prefer that I stay quiet about it. Because no one likes to be reminded (particularly in a public forum) that what they believe in is a delusion. And I can understand that.
- But like I said before, it still doesn't alter the facts.
K&R
So apparently there ain't no Equal
Opportunity in heaven either."