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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 08:43 AM
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Today's Listverse: Top 10 Misconceptions About Islam
In the words of Swiss journalist and author, Roger Du Pasquier “The West, whether Christian or dechristianised, has never really known Islam. Ever since they watched it appear on the world stage, Christians never ceased to insult and slander it in order to find justification for waging war on it. It has been subjected to grotesque distortions the traces of which still endure in the European mind. Even today there are many Westerners for whom Islam can be reduced to three ideas: fanaticism, fatalism and polygamy. Of course, there does exist a more cultivated public whose ideas about Islam are less deformed; there are still precious few who know that the word islam signifies nothing other than ’submission to God’. One symptom of this ignorance is the fact that in the imagination of most Europeans, Allah refers to the divinity of the Muslims, not the God of the Christians and Jews; they are all surprised to hear, when one takes the trouble to explain things to them, that ‘Allah’ means ‘God’, and that even Arab Christians know him by no other name. “

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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 09:39 AM
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1. No idea who his test sample are, but the "accusation" seems a bit broad.
My experience is that most Christians, especially most fundamentalist Christians have at least a basic understanding of what Islam is. They know who "Allah" is claimed to be, but they do not consider Allah to be the God of Abraham in much the same way they do not consider Mormons to be true Christians regardless of how many times the Mormons invoke the name of Jesus Christ.

Misconception: All Muslims are Arabs

Islam is rightfully associated with Arabs regardless of the demographics of the religion. The Koran is written in Arabic and only Korans written in Arabic are considered authentic. By the same token, Christianity ought to be associated with Western Asia, but the Romans successfully co-opted Messianic Judaism and made it Euro-centric. Again, I think that most people are aware that Muslims comes in all races, but the ones they are most concerned about are Arabic. Where they aren't really picky is in differentiating between Arabs and Persians, a distinction which appears to matter most to the Persians. The spiritual center of Islam is Arabia. We don't associate Islam with Arabs because of terrorism just as we don't associate Christianity with Scots due to Timothy McVeigh or Germans due to Rudolf Whathisname. We associate Christianity with Rome because it is the spiritual center of the largest denomination. We associate Judaism with Jerusalem. We associate Krishna with India, and Buddhism with Tibet, and Zen with Japan, and New Age with California, and Amish with Pennsylvania, etc....

9Muslims and Jesus

Now it's starting to appear that this guy just wanted to write an article promoting himself or Islam. I have been taught from childhood in religious schooling that Islam regards Jesus as a prophet, but not divine. On the other hand, all religions seem to have a problem with the rank and file keeping straight on who and what is divine. By any measure, Catholics who are seriously into Mary-worship have elevated her to divinity whether they admit it or not. By the same token, treating Mohammed like a god, but denying that he is one is a game played in the head. In any event, I was never taught that Muslims hate Jesus.

Misconception: Children have no rights

Children, according to Islamic law, have various rights. One of these is the right to be properly brought up, raised, and educated. Islam encourages children to be brought up well because it is the responsibility of an adult to raise his child to become a moral and ethical adult. Children must also be treated equally. When giving financial gifts they should all be the same amount and there should be no preference among them. Children are even permitted to take moderately from their parent’s wealth to sustain themselves if the parent declines to give them proper funds for living. A child is also not allowed to get hit in the face or hit by anything larger than a pencil.


Steaming pile of shit. No other term to describe this. Children must be treated equally? Does the author mean "boy children must be treated equally"? Children can only be hit "in the face" with something small, but what can you hit or kill the rest of the body with? What parts of the body can be removed or sewn shut?

Misconception: Islam is intolerable to other religions

‘Kill the infidel’ is the phrase many people believe is the ideology that Muslims have towards the non Muslims. This, though, is not a correct portrayal of Islamic law.


OK, this is the "But they aren't doing it right" argument. The proof is in the pudding. One can point to numerous examples of being nonmuslim in a Muslim country being painful or fatal, and the response will be predictable, "That's not what the Koran says." or "That's not Islam, that's 'local custom'". Notice how no one ever excuses the burning of witches and other atrocities of Christianity's bloody past as 'local custom'; at best they dismiss it as being in the past. Either way, it is in the past and the same cannot be universally said for Islam.

Misconception: The Prophet Muhammad was a pedophile

While it is true that he married a girl that was at the age of nine that does not constitute pedophilia. Historically, the age at which a girl was considered ready to be married has been puberty.


Well, he got one right so far.

During the crusades when Saladin defeated the franks he honored the defeated Frankish army and supplied them with food and during the third crusade when Saladin’s enemy king Richard fell sick, Saladin sent him a gift of fruits and horses.

The history of civilization is one of monarchies waging war on each other with the lives of subjects; how they choose sides does not interest me and their good manners do not impress me. The most gut wrenching thing an Anglo/Celt can do is to read the history of subjects and their lords dying in the fields while their royals betray them before, during, and after the battles.

Misconception: Women have no rights

The image of a woman wearing a veil from head to toe, a woman who gets unfair justice or a woman who is not allowed to drive is an all too familiar notion when it comes to women treatment in Islam. And while there are Muslim countries in the world that do implement many harsh rulings against women, this should not be portrayed as Islamic law. Many of these countries have cultural differences that go against the teachings of Islam.


One again, the "they aren't doing it right" argument.

It should be noted that during pre-Islam Arabia women were used for fornication only and had no independence.

It should be noted that pre-Muslim Egypt had female rulers and women in the kingdoms of Israel, England, Babylon, Persia, and the Roman Empire had status. If Arabia was out of step with this it was not for lack of example, and Islam didn't bring this enlightenment to the rest of the world.

Misconception: Islam was spread by the sword



It would probably have been better to argue that most religion has been spread by the sword rather than to try to make a logical rather than factual argument that Islam was the exception. Saying that Islam was spread to the East without force is rather like saying that India speaks English because it was handy in trade.

Misconception: Muslims are terrorists



Perception game. No rational person thinks all Muslims are terrorists, they do associate terrorism with Islam for the same reason they associate Fish and Chips with England, even though one can find fried fish elsewhere.





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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:22 AM
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2. Careful -
your assholishness is showing.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 10:37 AM
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3. Fortunately I have you to keep me in line.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 01:21 PM
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4. good response
:thumbsup:
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 06:02 PM
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5. when you start a discussion you sometimes get replies.. i have a Link>> i'd like to share for Rebutt...
Edited on Fri Jul-17-09 06:04 PM by sam sarrha
first of all your post was not well done..

ped·o·phile (pd-fl, pd-)
n.
An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children. ..well i think screwing a child before she was 9 years old qualifies a Prdifile..
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/pedophile.htm
Arab year is lunar, which is shorter than solar year. In solar years, Aisha was 8 years 9 months old when Muhammad consummated his marriage with her. Consummate? This is a nice way to say raped her. According to Muslims, a woman must consent to her marriage or the marriage is null. How can a 6-years old child consent to her marriage? Without a consent, how can we call this relationship between a 51 years old man and a 6-years old child marriage? ..snip"

Noun 1. pedophile - an adult who is sexually attracted to children
paedophile
degenerate, deviant, deviate, pervert - a person whose behavior deviates from what is acceptable especially in sexual behavior

if Muhammad spoke for Allah.. then in Islam Women are Inferior, In Muhammad's journey to view hell he said there were many more women in hell as men. Muhammad said there were inferior.

rebutal
http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/07/01/who-is-allah-videos/

i dont think dissagreeing and telling why is Victomizing anybody.. fell free to contenue the conversation



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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 07:59 PM
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6. While I'm all for debunking Islamophobic lies,
Edited on Fri Jul-17-09 08:01 PM by Occam Bandage
the following does not make sense: "While it is true that he married a girl that was at the age of nine that does not constitute pedophilia. Historically, the age at which a girl was considered ready to be married has been puberty. This was the case in Biblical times, and is still used today to determine the age of marriage in many parts of the world. This was part of the norm and is not something that Islam invented. The girl he got married to had reached puberty 3 years before marriage."

So the author is claiming that a six-year-old girl had reached puberty? A miracle, indeed. Anyway, the rest of it is a mix of valid argument, equivocation, and "no-true-Scotsman" piddle. Mildly interesting, but not really that much more informative than what it's attempting to debunk.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 09:39 PM
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7. this is all very well recorded... and a Phobia is an "UnReasonable" Fear, when people express a
for the consequences of Personality cults.. they atent condeming the victoms, in this case the majority of the practicioners, it is a discussion of the inherant teachings.. one can not deny what exists, it isnt persequiting them to want to discuss it, and discussing it shouldnt be Taboo.. is that to end a discussion that will quickly go downhill quickly for them.. the Teachings of their founder contail "All" the Cult Watch elements of a cult. much of what is said are Symptoms.

i realizi i will be TS'd immediately for this unnexceptable subject.. what happened to free speach. to education of the truth. is it because of fear.. what does that say

http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Muslims_Leaving_Islam
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 10:09 PM
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8. Swiss journalist Roger Du Pasquier....
...writes like a condescending asshole.

- That is all.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 10:41 PM
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9. Having spent 6 years living in Muslim countries...
...I'm not an expert in the religion. (I'm an atheist, as many of you know.) But during 2 years in Saudi Arabia and nearly 4 years in Egypt, I did a lot of reading in Islamic history. And of course, talked to Actual Muslims every day, since I was their guest.

A lot of Du Pasquier's misconceptions are...uh, misleading. And as DeSwiss noted, it doesn't help that he writes in a style that, IMO, manages to be wide-eyed and condescending at the same time, as though he is passing along new information he just discovered to the Great Unwashed.

In fact, most of his list sounds suspiciously like a slightly re-written press release from CAIR or one of the other Islamic spin groups.

Muslim armies didn't slaughter their enemies? Jebus H. Mohammed! Just Google "origin of Shi'ites."

Always respected other religions? He left out the tax on non-Islamic residents that was almost always levied. In Egypt right now, the Muslim Brotherhood is calling for such a tax to be re-instated. That's a little insult aimed at the Coptic Xians, though they are no more than 5% of the population.

He got one thing right, though. Not all Muslims are Arabs.

For example, the girl pictured below is Muslim. She's in Srebrenica, Bosnia, among the graves of her relatives who were massacred during the Latest Balkan Wars:




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