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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 03:15 AM Original message |
Are the tenets of Christianity abusive to children, and adults? Discuss. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 03:24 AM Response to Original message |
1. Not everybody views Original Sin in the same way. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 03:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Being told you are worthless and sinful without JC doesn't help you dream. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 03:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. You're making a mistake by believing that ALL Christian |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 03:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Do not ALL Christians believe in Original Sin, may I ask? |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 06:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
28. I know you may find this hard to fit into your preconceived notion.... |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 07:37 AM Response to Reply #28 |
40. Thank you! |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
52. Bad analogy |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #52 |
82. ... |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
88. So give me a mainstream western Christian sect |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
90. Yes |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
114. The central doctrine of Christianity... |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
51. Nope. Not all of us believe in the Western version of the concept. |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #7 |
59. I don't believe in original sin |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 09:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
63. I've always seen Original Sin as the theological version of the statement |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
48. "I don't give away my personal power to ANY authority figure." |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 03:25 AM Response to Reply #48 |
118. There is a difference between following the laws and social norms. |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 12:40 AM Response to Reply #3 |
58. I've never heard my minister say anyone was worthless and sinful |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 03:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Although I have a distaste for common sense, I like your post. |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 03:31 AM Response to Original message |
2. No. People are. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 04:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. It's the people, and not the words they utter? |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 03:51 AM Response to Original message |
6. Not exactly sure how many Christians suffer with guilt from Original Sin. |
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Oak2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 04:00 AM Response to Original message |
8. The problem with generalizing about everything that calls itself Christian is that Christianity |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 04:04 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Every church I have ever gone to subscribes to the standard tenets. |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 05:54 AM Response to Reply #9 |
24. "what you hear in a normal church, not esoteric forms that are better suited for the academic types" |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 12:44 AM Response to Reply #24 |
60. Why are you shocked? |
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Sandrine for you (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #60 |
106. The doctrine people hear in church change because we |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
91. What is it you're calling a "normal church"? nt |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 04:05 AM Response to Original message |
10. I don't recall finding the 'original sin' nor the 'son-killing' |
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Sandrine for you (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
107. Yes and my school teach me that "son-illing" stuf, just 20 years ago |
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BeatleBoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 04:09 AM Response to Original message |
12. The Green Quote is So Very Shallow. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 04:17 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Willingness to kill your son Isaac is worthy of praise? |
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BeatleBoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 04:23 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. It's a Good Thing |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 04:27 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Yes indeed. |
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BeatleBoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 04:32 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Fantastic! |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 04:43 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I've tried to be tolerant of them. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 05:27 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. "we cannot have discussions", or "I cannot have discussions". |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 05:57 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. I've had these discussions. |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 05:18 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. One can embrace both. They are not mutually exclusive. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
54. Oh? |
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nomorenomore08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 05:32 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. "I have come to set the daughter in law against the mother in law." |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
115. Like the other fundamentalists, you demand others interpret the texts as you do. But why? |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
47. "Religion is deeper than that and it transcends reason." |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 05:20 AM Response to Original message |
19. I ditched Christianity a long time ago |
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nomorenomore08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 05:36 AM Response to Original message |
22. Depends on what brand of Christianity, but as a general statement I can agree with it. |
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mr blur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 05:51 AM Response to Original message |
23. Abusive, deluded AND insulting. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 05:58 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. I refuse to be degraded. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 06:23 AM Response to Original message |
27. I think attacking religion is abusive. It's the PERSON that is abusive not religion |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 06:49 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. True to a point, but it religion which gives the abuse cover... |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 07:04 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. This thread isn't about Rick Warren, this is about religion in general |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 07:18 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Warren is an example of religious positions being automatically accorded respect.. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 07:25 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Again, Rick Warren, Rick Warren, Rick Warren. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 07:30 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Try being an atheist in the South if you think being religious on DU is tough.. |
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Ex Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 07:14 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. If it wasn't for religion, they'd find some other excuse |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 07:34 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. My point being though.. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 09:26 AM Response to Reply #32 |
64. Maoist China was more puritanical than any contemporary Western society |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #27 |
44. Good post....except |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
53. People come and go |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 04:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
62. So it's better if we attack people instead of ideas? |
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izzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 06:51 AM Response to Original message |
30. I think the Church father's needed that part of it. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
34. no---- christ would or is appalled by what is done in his name |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 07:26 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Amen |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 08:12 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Amen^2 |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
83. The problem is that... |
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Waiting For Everyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 07:32 AM Response to Original message |
38. So it isn't abusive to call someone else's beliefs abusive? |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
41. No. People being bastards are abusive. |
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moobu2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. Charles Manson was an atheist hippie? |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
43. The problem is not religion per se. It never has been. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
45. Ruth Hurmence Green committed suicide, proving her philosophy devalues human life. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I won't respect them if they won't respect me first. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #46 |
66. Who are "THEY?" |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
49. You're quite correct!!! |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. It's taken me years to distill their beliefs down to see how ridiculous they are. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Shame is probably the most painful of emotional states. |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
57. loving your neighbor is abusive? |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 03:18 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. we're not talking about "love thy neighbor". |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 09:27 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. So, you're more of a Biblical literalist than most mainstream Christians |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. It does seem that way |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
89. No, most mainstream Christian religions |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. Jesus gave us two commandments |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. And LESS second-class than in Buddhism or Hinduism or Islam |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. you're exactly right |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. ????? Are you kidding? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Guanyin (Avalokitesvara in Sanskrit) was a originally a male bodhisattva |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 04:43 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Reading Comprehension please. |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 04:20 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. the Trinity for the most part is sexless |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 05:06 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. It's 2/3rds male, the last I heard. |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. in the past, people used to picture a big guy with a long white beard sitting |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 05:14 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. You people think all Christians are liberal Christians. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. They would sure have trouble proving that. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
95. Did anyone here ask you to do so? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #71 |
94. My last two priests have been women |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 02:09 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. There are NO liberal churches around me. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. I think one of the problems here |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. I am well aware that not all Christians are dogmatic. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 08:40 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Um, because we have one of those unfortunate languages where |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #70 |
84. It is not best... |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 02:44 AM Response to Reply #84 |
98. the Jews, Christians and Muslims still like to oppress people. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #98 |
112. Your lack of interest in historical accuracy is rather depressing |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 03:44 AM Response to Reply #112 |
119. Oh I don't care about facts, do I??? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #68 |
93. Yup. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #61 |
92. Really - do you have any understanding |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #57 |
81. How about a homosexual neighbor? Love him too? |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 08:42 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. I am that gay neighbor |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 05:19 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. My neighorbs are Ben and Martin. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
78. No matter what you say, you enjoy a Christian holiday |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #78 |
96. the Christians stole it from the pagan Solstice. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 08:44 AM Response to Reply #96 |
99. I agree and I am aware of it all but |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
80. Contemporary Christianity is abusive to everyone and everything |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
87. Depends on what you consider to be a tenet of Christianity. n/t |
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Sandrine for you (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
102. The bible should be in the same section than the PlayBoy : 18+ |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 08:40 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Atheist Bible Stickers |
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Sandrine for you (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Great stickers !!! |
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Sandrine for you (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
108. And What the first thing you see when coming in a church: |
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COStorm (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #108 |
117. ummm not mine |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 04:56 AM Response to Original message |
109. kick |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
110. To me you get a fundy christian like what I was raised in by |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
111. Well I agree |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
113. I have to agree. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
116. If you don't believe the way I do you're going to burn in hell for an eternity... |
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