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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 10:09 PM Original message |
You know why I am an atheist? |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. Are you referring specifically to physical pain or are you referring to various kinds of suffering? |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. emotional...n/t |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. There are various kinds of emotional suffering. |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
2. I guess that is as good a reason as any |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. What's so great about free will? |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Right |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
72. What type of free will? |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-13-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. No, if it is based on physical, then it would be concrete and thus not free |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-14-08 05:07 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. How does the non-physical allow free-will? |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-14-08 08:43 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Thought gives free will |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-14-08 08:47 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Does it? |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-14-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. You arrive at those decisions |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-14-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. That's about as ambigious as it gets. |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-14-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. There is no "meaning" to free will |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-14-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Then it is as meaningful for me to say free will doesn't exist |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-14-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Yay! |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 03:09 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Right - and so we're back to before where I asked HOW such a decision is made |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Free will does not do it |
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cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. That is still a tautological statement |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-14-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. How does that work with sexual arousal? How does it work with thirst, |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-14-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. You choose |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-14-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. With arousal you have already picked up the pencil. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-14-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I was waiting for just the right time to post this. |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-14-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. I'd like to know why the kid needed a extra pair of pants. |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. That's physical |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
3. I'm not a frequenter of this group, but... |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Jesus was apparently one of the "most extreme." |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Jesus *allegedly* said. |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I agree... and he was quite effective apparently. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. I point this out frequently |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 11:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Yes, Zebedeo, that is what is written |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. I'll adhere to what was said |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Fair enough |
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MikeH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
69. If I were uncritical and totally selfish |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. I almost never went to church as a kid |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. What's with the attitutude? |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 11:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. I don't mean to blame you for anything |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. At least I think I know our one point of disagreement: |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 08:38 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I would argue spurious relationship |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. There's a song |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Yeah, beautiful and touching. |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. There is an inverse relationship |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Sure, that's science. Just like "the Bell Curve" was "science." |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Quite an accusation |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I only need to ask you to read the WHOLE STUDY itself. |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Which study? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Aw, bummer. |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #46 |
62. Lutherans? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Hardly. |
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moggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #41 |
61. On the other hand... |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. I had two reactions to the lyrics |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #48 |
63. Why doesn't God stop drug/alcohol addiction? |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. So why'd he stop that kid |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. He didn't. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Well, on second read, I guess you are right. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-13-08 01:21 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. I wonder what would have happened if the dad had looked for the little |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 01:23 AM Response to Reply #36 |
55. Yeah...touching. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. The song's author checked into chemical rehab last month |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Haha..your kidding, right? THAT'S RICH. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Yep. Message received. |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. I never argued against a 3rd variable |
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ohioINC (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. everlasting conscious torment is not supported in scripture |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
5. Don't blame the 'GREAT SPIRIT' for ALL the evil and ills of mankind. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
7. Why I am an atheist |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Non-atheists (deists?) teach moral ideas |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 08:27 AM Response to Reply #11 |
29. Morals or ethics? |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
52. It's all the same then |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 08:31 PM Response to Reply #52 |
73. You missed the point |
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Beregond2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
9. Suffering |
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Growler (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
10. I am an atheist |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
13. Disbelief in a single omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent God does not require atheism. |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
16. The book of Job was written to answer this... |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. I should have said ONE of the reasons I am an atheist... |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 04:51 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Sorry to hear that - what happened? |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 07:29 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I can't go into details |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
20. I'm a pagan |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. That's a good part of the reason why I'm a Pagan. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Uh, Buddhists won't call you anything |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. last time I was chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo I was in a temple |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
26. I'm atheist because the concept of god is nonsense. |
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pegleg (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. thank god we don't all think like you. nt |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Why? What would be the end result if everybody thought like me? |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 04:15 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. If everyone thought like you, |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. Hehe |
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pegleg (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 08:05 AM Response to Reply #54 |
60. You are perfectly free to believe whatever you will. That is your right. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. So then why did you make your snide comment? |
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pegleg (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. Nonsense! |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Oh, are we playing Jeapordy? "What is god and religion?" nt |
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Birdiesmom (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
37. I'm learning something here -- thanks, guys |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
38. Am I weird because that's never really bothered me? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
47. Ah, the good old "suffering problem" |
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moobu2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-11-08 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
51. I’m an atheist because there’s no such things as god's, angel's, devil's ...stuff like that |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-12-08 12:19 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Gods, angels, devils.... Those are just words |
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enki23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-13-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #53 |
76. right. those are only words. words that are used to mean things that don't exist. |
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