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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:23 PM
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Did Jesus die twice?
Let's assume that he died once and was then resurrected. Isn't he famous for falling into a righteous rage because there were (gasp!) money changers working in a temple? If he were alive now, then wouldn't he have gotten the word out that, since then, there have been a number of events (including current events of the year 2008) that have gotten him just as much (dare I say "more"?) steamed up?

Here's an idea for a poll question that somebody can use: "after you discover that there were money changers in the temple, is it possible for you to believe in God?" Maybe somewhere among the answer options there could be references to the Katyn forest, Pol Pot, Darfur, and other missed opportunities for blood banks to rake in a bonanza of a deposit.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:25 PM
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1. Jesus died once ...
And stayed dead thereafter ...

(notwithstanding that empty grave .... )
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:27 PM
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2. I'm gonna go with ... zero deaths
That whole "actually existing" requirement...

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:32 PM
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3. actually the real question is whether jesus actually lived even once nt
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 11:33 PM by msongs
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:58 PM
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4. Is it possible to believe in God after reading a Boojatta post?
I say no.

:P
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:46 AM
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5. Is it possible to believe in Boojatta?
Edited on Fri Feb-08-08 06:46 AM by MrWiggles
I still think you are artificial intelligence being tested here in DU. But still in its beta stage, of course. :-)
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 07:11 AM
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6. Dave, I can see you're really upset about this
I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.

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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 09:12 AM
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7. LOL!
Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do. I'm half crazy all for the love of you...

http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/wav/daisy.wav
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:19 PM
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8. I think 2001
is the best Science Fiction movie, if not the best movie period, EVER. Very spiritual without being religious.
Thoughts?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 06:22 AM
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9. The notion of dying twice or being born twice forces discussion into
the transhuman.

Some people believe that the Resurrection was a literal event. I don't.

It is a powerful metaphor and an ancient metaphor.

In the day-to-day world of people's lives, no one has to die twice to be engaged in the dynamics of human joys and sorrows, and of course any number of babies are born into cultures who have heard of Jesus but do not honor him as anything more than an obscure Jew of the first century BCE.

Good point on the money-changers. This post is made even more pertinent by recent developments in the banks.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 08:55 AM
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10. First you have to assume that he even existed
for which you have no evidence. Beyond that, I get this OP as much as your other ones.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 09:46 AM
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11. Maybe Jesus is a cat
and he now has seven lives to go.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:29 AM
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14. I'm thinking C.S. Lewis might go along with that theory.
Although he seemed to have in mind a really big cat.

"Our Fluffy is the Savior of the World but he claws up the furniture."
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:41 PM
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18. LOL!
I forgot about that connection. Nice catch! :-)
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 02:56 PM
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12. I think it's possible Jesus was inserted as a form of corrective DNA
in to the developing fetus of Earth.

1. First you must start with the premise that Jesus existed and I do.

2. Then by using mathematics, giving the universe a number or value choose any number, you want, you can't get there from zero unless the value or number of the universe is zero in which case we don't exist, a trillion, billion, million times zero is still zero, so I believe we do exist. Therefor something exists outside of our known universe or in another dimension, not dependent on our known laws of physics. If there is anything to String Theory, the universe loops upon itself and there are other dimensions with stranger laws than we can think.

3. Observation of general form and function from the beginning of the Big Bang, expansion of the universal/uterus to the formation of the barren egg/rocky planets such as Earth, to the relentless pounding of early Earth by sperm shaped comets and asteroids which seeded/fertilized Earth with life giving compounds and water, to the Dark Matter which isn't visible to us but covers everything holding it together just as placenta would to a fetus. This leads me to believe the possibility that Earth and everything on it from the first organic slime, to the dinosaurs to the current state of humanity is a developing fetus, all part of the same organism continually multiplying it's cells and reshaping it self in the process. Everything that's ever lived and died has been continuously rebuilt/recycled/reincarnated from the same basic building materials. When something dies it becomes minerals, food and even water for the living.

4. In order for this fetus to have a chance of long term survival with the ability to spread throughout the universe, it must evolve to a higher state, to that end I believe we're evolving toward more energy centric bodies. Adaption to space, increased reliance on technology, finite resources and the ability for energy to travel through space faster than mass will push evolution along this path. But the prime directive for this long term objective to occur in our current space time is sustainability.

My final answer is this, as Jesus was part of the same fetus as the rest of us; "Eat this bread in remembrance of me for it's my body, drink this wine for it's my blood" he's died many times over. I also believe this was the truth of his message which angered the structured, separated from the creator's creation religion of the time. Throwing the money-changers, aka; business people aka; early corporations out of the temple, aka; government of the day was in fact a preemptive strike against the relentless corporate lobbying of the government with the resultant raping of the creation/planet/fetus, by their future descendants. Today, civilization is in peril because of the mindless exploitation of the planet for which Jesus died fighting against, and the ethos of "greed is good" has even been promoted to one degree or another in many churches. I also believe this is why today, organized religion focuses far more attention on his death and resurrection, than his teachings. They want the people to continually believe "he died for our sins," not so much that he lived for our virtues.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 06:04 PM
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13. Jesus reincarnated as M.Gira and sang for the Christrian rock band, Swans.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 08:42 PM
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15. Well now thanks a million, Boojatta. I've gone all weekend with Nancy Sinatra
singing "You Only Live Twice" in my head.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:05 PM
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16. Aren't you the one who kicked this old thread?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:08 PM
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17. This old thread is a GREAT thread. I love it.
And say thanks to you for launching it to begin with.

And honest to god, I have nothing against Nancy Sinatra.
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