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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:17 PM Original message |
Why Did Jesus Have To Die On the Cross To Prove He Is God? |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. As an Atheist I will ask how do you know their is a Jesus. Because he is |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I don't know if there really was a Jesus. I'm not saying that he really |
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Jo March (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
2. He did not have to die to prove he is God |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Okay. But if it wasn't to prove he is God, then why only him? |
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theorist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
23. Put it into a historical context. Read about Simon Magus. |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. I know all about Simon Magus and the other crucified saviors long |
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Jo March (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 04:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
58. What is more effective than allowing your own Son to be the lamb? |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
33. Because He is the |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 08:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. But doesn't this defeat the incentive since none of us can be without |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 10:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. Through His |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 11:11 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Oh. But wait a minute. I thought from all the other posts here that |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 11:22 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Well, it's |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 12:03 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Good answer. How arrogant of you to say "obvious the Holy Spirit |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 12:24 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I see you have |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 12:33 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Pardon me if I took it the wrong way. It happens sometimes. I'm sorry. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
63. even as a christian, I do not fully understand WHY Jesus had to be |
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Jo March (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
57. It had to be the son of God |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 09:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
65. I think of it this way: |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-19-05 01:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
66. You're looking.... |
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skylarmae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Yup, kind of boils down to - did He come out of the tomb like He said |
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RoeBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. If some one said |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Well, did he? And if so, why the secrecy? Why not go before Pontius |
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lateo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
3. How do we even know Jesus was really Jesus... |
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RoeBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. It's not important what His name was... |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. That's not really true according to a lot of christians I know. If you |
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RoeBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Not true |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Oh Christ RoeBear, I'm not talking about spelling. Most people |
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lateo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 08:27 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. Spelling doesn't matter one iota... |
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RoeBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 10:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. I'll admit I'm confused |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-19-05 02:01 AM Response to Reply #17 |
67. What's in a name |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
5. Actually, he was considered an enemy of the state |
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displacedtexan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
7. Martyrdom's a hell of a good marketing tool. |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. LOL! |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Unless you are the person being Martyred :) (n/t) |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. Yep, Martyrdom it is. |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 11:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
61. Most everyone living today (2000 years later) knows who Jesus is |
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TheModernTerrorist (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
8. As the comedian Jimmy Carr says.... |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
11. This presumes that Jesus did indeed have to die on the cross to prove |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. This is way oversimplified because it leaves out the fact that there |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. I don't know anything about the 16 crucified saviors you cite here |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 08:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Oh but the others did take, in a big way. Mithrais was one and I won't |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 08:17 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Again, though: |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 10:42 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Do you know any history at all before "Judaism and Christianty? |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 08:43 AM Response to Reply #44 |
54. Of course I do |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 10:02 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I guess we just look at things differently. You see it as why did the |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 02:03 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. John Lennon said as much |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 09:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Mithras wasn't a rabbi-he was Persian |
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salinen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
13. Jesus did not die |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
16. Simple to me (reader's digest condensed version) |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. That may be simple to you. But quite frankly, you lost me there. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. How so? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
20. As an aside to the question |
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AutumnMist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
22. From What I Understand (And this isn't flame bait) |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Jesus refused to compromise and back down from what he proclaimed |
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babsbunny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
27. I understand |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 08:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. I see. You mean like the old human sacrifices. God imitates man. |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 05:52 PM Response to Reply #40 |
59. Yes. As below, so above. |
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blogbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
30. The Poor Sucker Next To Him... |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
32. It wasn't to prove he was God. |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 08:15 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. How did you separate yourself from God? When you were born, did |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 08:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. The development of our socially constructed ego separates us |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 10:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. You should read |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
36. I believe in Islam |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
53. In the gospels, |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
60. I don't think He died to prove he was God, but to prove |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-05 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
62. Considering he *didn't* die on the cross, the question is moot |
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Stevepol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
64. A different take: Jesus died because he was meeting his own karma. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-19-05 02:17 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Thank you |
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enki23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-19-05 03:56 AM Response to Original message |
69. he died on the cross to suffer something for a couple days... |
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