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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:46 AM Original message |
As Religious Strife Grows, Europe's Atheists Seize Pulpit |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:51 AM Response to Original message |
1. Whoa, this is complex as hell. |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
2. Very interesting, but oddly enough.... |
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Kiouni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:40 AM Response to Original message |
3. I'm going to have to read up on this guy |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
30. agree, last time I knowingly ate margarine was during WWII |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
76. I'd hope so - butter is a gazillion times better for the |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 03:32 AM Response to Original message |
4. Good for them! |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 03:58 AM Response to Original message |
5. I work mostly in Europe |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 08:14 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Thanks for your insightful post. I think a lot of people everywhere are spiritual vs. religious |
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ms liberty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #5 |
19. This is a really informative post. Thank you...n/t |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #5 |
23. Thanks for that! |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
82. I think that this is the point that the WSJ was trying to make |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-15-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #5 |
87. I'd argue that church-goers are a minority here in the U.S., too |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-15-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I'm no expert, but I was under the impression that some European countries |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 04:14 AM Response to Original message |
6. I have never heard of this guy.... |
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YankeyMCC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 05:10 AM Response to Original message |
7. Oh boy "Militant Atheist" label again |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 08:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. The title fits quite well for some athiests & many anti-theists. As obnoxious in their beliefs |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. When was the last time the Atheist Witnessess came knocking on your door. |
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Extend a Hand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
81. John Safran |
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Random_Australian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-15-07 06:05 AM Response to Reply #81 |
86. Aye, but he's a comedian, and a great one at that. |
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YankeyMCC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. No it doesn't fit well |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. If not militant, perhaps "obnoxious," "persistent," "harping"... |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. All of those adjectives and many more can be applied to theists. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I like that, though I'd |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. That saying means you can do any damn thing you please |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:21 PM Original message |
Now, see, if I were you |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
43. Go ahead, alert on it and we'll see which posts get deleted. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Way to miss the point. |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #45 |
64. I can fight my fights without insulting those I am in conflict with |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Deleted message |
YankeyMCC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #25 |
65. Those labels might be appropriate |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. But some atheists do make that claim, on behalf of atheism |
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YankeyMCC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Not on 'behalf of atheism' |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
35. Does it ever get old? |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. If the antagonistic, hostile, vicious, bigoted |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Oh, you get to join in on the |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. By not simply arguing against a concept |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Have you even read Dawkins or Harris? |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. So if I were to argue that Christian was just a bunch |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Re-read that post. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. So Dawkins doesn't have the right to look down on Falwell? |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. I see you and he have the same playbook |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. So if Falwell is an asshole |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. There's so many instances |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Why should "faith" be deserving of respect? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Deleted message |
muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
79. Luckily, chapter 1 is online |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 03:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
73. I'm curious, you mention Falwell and his ilk. Who constitutes this ilk? |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-15-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
90. I'm an atheist and I've never heard of the 'bright' business |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 05:22 AM Response to Reply #90 |
101. Some people have tried to push the word 'bright', as analogous to 'gay' |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-15-07 10:54 AM Response to Reply #36 |
89. Yes, it must really suck to have two or three people writing books criticizing your religion. |
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EvolveOrConvolve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-15-07 12:26 AM Response to Reply #16 |
85. That's just ignorant |
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ClintonTyree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 05:11 AM Response to Original message |
8. As always.... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 08:20 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Your bias leads you to believe that people are moving from "God" and labelling |
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ClintonTyree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. "New Age" Groups? |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. It's not about puppet strings. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
37. Which would be as much of a straw man |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #37 |
74. I think the search for meaning has got to INCLUDE "god" or a "higher consciousness," |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-15-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #74 |
93. What exactly is a "search for meaning" anyway? |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-15-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
91. "search for meaning a worthy cause" |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
60. All Praise Zeus! n/t |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. If you want to see scarlet letters |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. How do you know |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. You read the threads? |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. How would I know |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Don't put words in my mouth. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I've giving you your words |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Posting links is a violation |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. Don't worry, I'm sure you'll |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Not my scene, don't want the 72 virgins either |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
59. So people who have a problem with strippers are "prudes" |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. You'll have to do better than that. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
80. That's not necessarily the first lesson of the Bible. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 05:34 AM Response to Original message |
9. I find this quite encouraging and I hope it finds an audience here. |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 07:26 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Another dissonance to add to your list.. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
54. Land of the free? More like land of fascism. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
72. Exactly, there are too many to list, or at least too many for most people to read. n/t |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 11:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
83. The problem comes, of course, when different groups of people |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
10. Link to the same article in a non-subscription newspaper |
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chaska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
32. Thanks for that. Maybe the OP can edit his/her link. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
84. Thank you. Unfortunately I posted last night |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
11. I'm obviously missing a lot |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
13. I'm a fan already. Can we get him to tour the US? |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. Why? Online scorn for fellow citizens not enough? n/t |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
77. Why worry about scorn |
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Vexatious Ape (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
15. Great post. I wish it would happen here. |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
18. The French again change the world..who wudda thunk? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. All you have to do is avoid insulting others. |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
28. "one that confronts rather than merely ignores religion" |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
53. A strong confrontation of religion and dogma is necessary in the world today. |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
58. kick and r n/t |
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toddaa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
67. Religion can always use a little help dying off |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-14-07 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
78. Supernatural ideas definitely should be challenged. |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-15-07 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
92. I did not write post #28 - don't know who did but it wasn't me |
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eagler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-15-07 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
94. Why do atheists post on a religion and theology blog? |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-15-07 07:33 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Because elephant have flat feet. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-15-07 09:37 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. This is a religion and theology blog? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-15-07 11:20 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. LOL...n/t |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 12:36 AM Response to Reply #94 |
98. They don't |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 12:39 AM Response to Reply #94 |
99. Because we are coming for your pets. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 07:36 AM Response to Reply #99 |
102. Speak for yourself. |
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NAO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 02:35 AM Response to Original message |
100. Salk was "Militant anti-Polioist"; Jenner was a "Militant anti-SmallPoxist" |
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MistressOverdone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
103. Militant atheist? |
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